Kreative Kennels and DDR/Czech temperement - Page 2

I have a czech male and he is very much bonded to me and really could care less about anybody else - not reative, not elusive, just ignores them [unless they come too near his car]

I would say we bonded very quickly and very strongly.  My West German Working lines female is VERY independant yet quite social. 

Sorry, I haven't dealt with Kreative. I do have a 2 yr. old Czech male and a couple of German Showline dogs. The Czech male is very intense, high drive, loud, snapping, very dominant. But he's a sweetheart and very affectionate. Can be very gentle and is calm under most situations. He has incredible energy which makes him difficult to kept in the house and he's dog aggressive. He has a huge tolerance for pain and is quick to alert to anything new (dogs, people, any noise). He bonded with me after 3 months of intense walks and training every day. Very smart. I don't have to say a word...just move my head or hand and he knows what I want. One of this guy is all I can handle BUT he's great.

Elkoor description is right on. I own 18m female with DDR bloodlines. Best dog ever. Little bit aggression towards other dogs. But she never attacks first if the dog will try to jump her she will pin them on the ground and snaps at them, or slaps them around which looks really funny. Never actually committing to a full bite, unless the dog will continue, or she gets my approval. So I wouldn't really consider it aggression is more of a dominance she likes to be in charge that’s all. When comes to kids best dog ever protects and watches them without interrupting kids play. The kids that she watches used to be afraid of dogs due to a bad experience in the past now they invite Sasza to a tea party :). Dog is very family oriented loves everyone but ready to protect his pack in a second notice. Never seen better balance dog. Be careful buy only from reputable breeder. Make sure that their dog are fully tested for temperament, hips and elbows. You won't regret DDR dog is the most intelligent dog I ever owned, or seen. Its true that it matures slowly but still its not too immature just likes attention and play time, that’s all. Early and strong socialization is very important for DDR dogs, if not you might end up with really aggressive dog as I seen in the past. From now on I intent to stick only to DDR dogs, it was the best choice I ever made, you will never see me without that dog at my side. From the beginning it was trained to be of leash Now I just carry leash only when I see that people don’t feel comfortable with her rooming freely. Never had any problems with her from a pup. Still keeps on impressing me.

Thank you for the replies!  Thank you Elkoor, I was under the impression that the Military dogs were just about the only dogs in the DDR, thank you for the info and despcription of the lines.  That sounds like the description of SV1 Horand, just what a GSD should be. 

I was thinking that if Kreative Kennels was a quality oufit, it might be a good place for a "field trip".  I was not very impressed with their boasting of being the biggest working line kennel in the US or the fact that they keep over 150 dogs, but I was thinking that if they owned some spectacular dogs or if they were excellent trainers that would be worth driving a day to see.  And some of the dogs they have on the for sale pages I don't like the conformation of at all.  I don't have internet at home and I can't do a lot of looking around so I like to just ask a question and see what the response is.  Thanks, Micky D, for those links, very informational and a little of what I was afraid of.  I would think that with 150 dogs, they would need to employ at least 30 handlers to each look after their own group of dogs everyday.  I have yet to see a vom Kreative dog on anyone's site or anywhere outside of thier own site and to me, that's the best advertisement.

I'm not planning on getting another dog anytime soon, but I am looking into the DDR lines for my next one.  Now is there a difference between the military lines and the 'regular' lines or is pretty much any of the popular or more common lines going to produce the typical DDR type, assuming that the puppy is well socilized, trained and all that?  A friend of mine has a male that is half DDR and half Czech.  His sire comes from Haus Cimmerian, Haus Antverpa and Jen Ager's in the front and Laager Wall, among others, at the back.  And his dam is a Venusina sopka female.  I love this dog's temperement: he's social, not at all aggressive towards dogs or strangers and extremely confident.  He is what I would call 'aloof', that is he is friendly but not jumping all over you wanting attention.  He will stay all day for pets, but is OK  and just stays quiet if you don't want to mess with him.  And the Slovak lines, are they from the same base as DDR and Czech?

Thanks again!
Krystin

They are anything but excellent trainers. Take a peek at a few of their videos. I too was interested in a few of their dogs but have since, after taking a closer look at them, been turned off.

Jvl "As far as Kreative Kennels....I have talked to them a few times vis email...they seem like nice people"

I'm not sure what your definition of nice is but mine does not including selling GSDs as guard dogs to live their life alone in a junkyard. From their site " Some businesses require a guard dog, but not necessarily the training that a protection or police dog would need. We have guard dogs without training for - for example - used car lots, indoor showrooms, outdoor sales areas etc. The guard dogs would have a high level of agression and natural protective behaviour which is necessery where a handler is not present."   

Also this is from one of their "TOP LEVEL EXECUTIVE PROTECTION DOGS"    Nadua von Lünsholz     Born: February 18th 2007  " Nadua has it all. She has one of the best pedigrees in our kennel as well as the ability to be one of the best females we have. She can do her obedience, her tracking and her bitework with the best of them. She has very high energy, but at the same time is very controllable. Her pedigree is unmatched.              Nadua can be a SchH-3 female, a protection dog or a police dog. She is a nice sized female with more strenght than the average dog. In her eyes you can see the self-confidence and seriousness " Now I have three problems with this. First the whole Top level executive protection labels you see on so many of these questionable sites. No definition of what that means. Secondly if you read their description they do not state she is actually trained. Quote " she has the abilitity to be" Quote "she can be a Schh3" - AHH but she's NOT which leads us to the third objection.              I live in Northern Cal - never met these guys at a trial, never seen them exhibit ( plus nothing on web to suggest they every have). Strange for folks for are "striving to breed great working line german shepherds for the military, border patrol, police departments ... We are breeding dogs that exhibit excellent prey drive, courage, intelligence and also have a ton of energy."  Now how would they know is my question. Also interesting that in a 2 hour radius of these guys there are more than 6 world class helpers and trainers that they choose not to take advantage of.

What amazes me is that people sucker so easily and buy from these folks AND buy at incredible inflated prices . I love how on the guard dog page the dogs are offered WITHOUT training just natural aggressiveness and lo and behold who buys one of those but a sheriff's department.   ARRGH! An I'm sure they will sucker some poor soul into spending tens of thousands of dollars on Nadua above 'cause after all she is a TOP LEVEL EXECUTIVE PROTECTION DOG - NOT.

 I have to confess they have some males that I would be interested in if someone else owned them. But I have to ask myself whether I'm willing to subsidize and support an operation like this - blatantly commercial, using the breed simply to make money, have not taken the time to educate themselves  and using highly questionable sales tatics (see info on exec protection bitch above.) The answer to that is NO!

No doubt they seem to have way too many dogs for their own good.........and yes the videos are broke........with that being said I actually do like the pedigrees on some of their dogs. They have so many dogs from some nice Czech and German kennels makes one wonder if the past owners even care where they end up. Just look at the sheer amounts of dogs they have labled as brood bitches, then studs, future studs, future brood bitches, green dogs, pp dogs, guard dogs, dogs for your breeding program, and ect ect.......then  make your decision.

Wow, I hadn't seen that part on their "excecutive" level guard dogs with no training.  I guess that's a cleaned up way of saying that if you want a dog that will bite someone when you tie it up to the frame of a car and don't want to pay alot (at least I hope that they don't charge alot for a dog that is just plain mean with no training!!) or explain to the pound what you want with that pit bull, then go to them?  They are also dairy farmers, I hope they don't dispose of excess puppies the same way as SOME dairys dispose of excess calves!  But it doesn't sound like they are worth a trip after all. 

Thank you all for sharing info about your Czech and DDR dogs, they all sound really nice.  I know of a couple other breeders here in the Northwest that breed those lines exclusively and sound like more responsible breeders.  Like I said, I'm not looking for a puppy right now but I am interested in those lines and have been studying them.

Thanks!
Krystin

I just went thru the same process you are and have purchased a DDR/Czech pup which I should receive in about 3 weeks

I would not let $200 or $250 transportation cost dictate my purchase of a dog I'll have for 10 to 20 years.

GSD's need companionship and TIME with YOU, every day.  How can Kreative Kennel (which I know nothing about) possible give their 150 dogs the love and attention they crave?

I suggest you visit www.ddrlegends.com which is a group of working dog experts breed for the love of the dog and not for the $$$.

good luck

Mike

Karly,

I agree with the above that you should go to the DDR Legends web site if you want to learn more about these dogs. Don't know them personally, but, there is a lot of good info there.

If you are looking for a trustworthy, knowledgeable kennel with DDR and Czech/Slovak dogs I can highly recommend SchraderHaus K-9. They are in Washington state and have really nice dogs. Very, very nice people also!  www.schraderhausk9.com