Von Batu - Page 2

Aqua, could you maybe please translate for those of us that can't read German?  The translation programs can leave much to be desired at times. 

Thanks very much.

I'm sure there are nuances someone more familiar with German will appreciate that a lot of us will not. Translation much appreciated please.

SS

Folks, Dr. Gruber's letter is fairly critical of the differences of opinion that he had/has with the S.V. leadership and I merely offer a translation so don't take your differences up with me. Here goes:

I present a very well-conditioned discussion about my views of the present situation in the entire S.V.. On the basis of these conditions - so follows my literal statement - it allows me no further choice to continue to participate honorably in this association. I politely asked the S.V. president to examine and present the documented problems that I sent and consider the circumstances I stated with consideration given equally towards me and the S.V.-just in the unfortunate case I would be asked to leave the organization.

Furthermore, on 19, February 2008, I had a discussion in the presence of Herr Alfons Hölzle, Herr Josef Liegl (Jugendwart der LG Bayern Süd) and Frau Brigitte Heinzel, with Herr Director Clemens Lux at the S.V. main office. Also in this discussion were things directly from me that are in my point of view "sore spots” regarding the main association and addressing the head office.

Thus the S.V. president and the S.V. managing director in their discussions had points of view that were different from my own about these “sore spots” that I have with the S.V.-even though I regard these “sore spots” as things that endanger the future of the organization. So, immediately I am neither an office-holder nor member of the S.V. - it is over! I wish each and everyone the best in your future.

Yours Truly,

Willibald Josef Gruber

P.S.: Me, and my name as associated with the German Shepherd Dog are both finished as those who stood with me were overruled. Therefore this action also ends the name of the kennel “vom Schloß Runding" after 27 years of active breeding, training and handling." The Result: “If you do not agree with our decisions in the S.V. then you can go!” “Regardless of what you have achieved; even with your decades of experiences in the sports association and with breeding judges it matters not!”

Regards, Bob-O

Jantie,

I have a lot of respect for you, but I think you should not have published that here. This was an email from Prof. Gruber to his SV friends. How many here are even SV members?

I bet most did not even know Prof. Gruber by name as a judge or breeder. It is not our business. Further, it is normal for officials to quit for a variety of reasons. It happened in the past and will in the future. It is by no means an indication of how an organization is run.

Yes, Mr. Orschler quit, now he. In the past (ancient), Dr. Beck had quit and numerous others, like Mr. Lugbauer, etc. etc. People get burned out and new people take their place. Es ist der Lauf der Dinge!!!

Did you have permission to publish the email here? If yes, why didn't you translate it instead of throwing people bits and pieces? If you did not, then you should not have. Why? Out of respect for the individual! When I receive requests why certain individuals quit or did certain things, I always tell the person asking that they should contact the involved directly. When you hear rumors or receive information, certain people do not take kindly to the fact, that it might be published on the internet.

Ok, that being said: Schwamm drueber! Sehen wir uns in Aachen? Ich bin auf alle Faelle da, auch wenn ich noch kein Hotelzimmer hab. Flug ist aber gebucht.

Chris

Hi Chris!

You know the quick growth of exponential sequences, don't you, and the story about the chess board to demonstrate this. Put one grain of rice on the first square of a chess board, double it and put two grains on the second square, double it again and give four grains on the third square, etc., etc. You will feed many mouthes with the endresult reaching square 64.

Same happens nowadays with e-mails. There were approximately 32 recipients for the original mail. If only two people send it to two of their friends and they again, send it to their best friends, what an avalanche they are creating, let alone all recipients send it to all of the people in their GSD-fans addressbook. Let's not be hypocrit and believe people can keep this to themselves. The news was on German boards within 48 hours, and I for sure did not put it there. By the way, if he sent it to his "SV-friends" as you name it, at least one of them has offered it to the wider public, and the mail was distributed from there. In this computer age, one cannot stop breaking news and I wouldn't know why we should "filter" the news that reaches us. Remember, president Henke last said, everything must be discussed openly. Quote:  „Gerade in der heutigen Zeit müssen Einigkeit, Klarheit und Wahrheit höchste Priorität in unserem Verein geniessen.“

I'd love to hear from you about Dr. Beck and Mr. Lugbauer and the reasons they left, if you have any information. I would welcome that very much. You have my e-mail-address, can't wait to hear from you. We can then discuss Aachen also, and hope you thought about Bruges and saving time to visit the most beautiful town in Europe? (before or after the show)

Hope to hear from you soon.

By the way, as I wrote previously, I did not translate it because of the lack of time, and there are more people on the board that can give a better translation then I can.

@ Bob-O: this quote is mine, not Dr. Grubers, it was my personal conclusion, making a summary of what happens when you don't agree with SV ruling.

The Result: “If you do not agree with our decisions in the S.V. then you can go!” “Regardless of what you have achieved; even with your decades of experiences in the sports association and with breeding judges it matters not!”

Noted judges and breeders resigning from the SV and closing their kennels can in fact affect those of us here in the U.S. since our schutzhund organizations do bring in German SV judges. We also buy German imported dogs.  The reasons for these men leaving the SV are an indication of the direction in which the SV is going - is this a good thing or not? Unless and until we know the reasons, we don't know if this is good for the breed or not.  I for one am sorry to see the von Batu kennel close. My current pup is linebred on Ursus. I know it doesn't affect my pup at all but I liked some of the von Batu dogs. Does this mean the current SV powers that be do not like those dogs? Or is this purely a bureaucratic or personality conflict? Will we see judging changes? By this I mean a different way of judging to the standard - smaller, softer dogs favored? Harder dogs favored? What happens in Germany to the GSD trickles down to the U.S. given time. 

RU still there Chris Silbersee? You haven't come back!

Just wanted to add the following to my comments and your findings:

In a PRIVATE MAIL Dr. Gruber sent to me, he briefly explains his reasons for leaving, which he certainly won't mind sharing with the GSD-community:

as for the SV and its management, he says he had a vision, that obviously nobody wanted, as it would endanger some of the SV-circles,

and as for our fourlegged friend, the GSD, he felt like if he had a mission, that was extended to us from generation to generation. "Sadly enough he (the GSD) is not be found anymore in todays SV breeding club." is what he says.

Now if somebody resigns, after what was it, 30 years of membership and judging highest levels, from his beloved club (one would not take part in this so long, if one did not love it), I think it is a big shame. He will not have taken the decision lightly, and he will have done his utmost, but closing the door must hurt.

If somebody who was a topname breeder himself confirms the GSD is NOT to be found anymore within the SV breeding club itself!! What do you, what do WE learn from this?

It is my understanding he would not want to sacrifice his integrity and that of the GSD and its standard.

Now I have shown in my weblog how much money is involved and how big the interests of some circles are. In my next study which I will finish soon, I will shed even more light on the breeding club and its makes.

I wish you all a healthy German Shepherd dog!

Jantie

Sorry Jantie, IM still here (to write in internet lingo).

I have no knowledge why Mr. Lugbauer and Dr. Beck quit, only ideas which I prefer not write about here. But I do think after committing 25+ years to a hobby, passion or job, one can get burned out for various reasons. That is normal and happens to almost everybody. There is a point in life when you begin to realize that there are other matters to tend to as well. And if you do not have anybody to pass your passion or hobby onto, it is phased out, i.e. kennels. 

I am looking forward to discussing that with you over a cup of latte macchiato (my passion) with you in Aachen!

I will get in touch with you to see how, when and where! Take care.

Chris

Sad this was one of the better show kennels. The SV won't change because too much money and politics are involved. It'll continue to get a lot worst before things turn around.