The so called accredited breeder scheme (U.K) - Page 2

Deplorable, disgraceful, dishonest, disgusting, a farse, the ultimate in hipocracy - are but a few sentiments that spring to my mind when anyone mentions THE SHAM that is the KC's Acrredited Breeder Scheme.

I had major concerns about how it could possible work in favour of any breed at its concept, so much was my concern that I contacted the KC about them. What concerns might you ask? Well initially (for example) it concerned me greatly that breeders signing up for this scheme would without any doubt very soon themselves (some perhaps immediately find themselves) in a situation where there was NO STUD dog available  for them to use, therefore unless the KC made ALL breeders sign up to this scheme, the best breeders (trying to do the RIGHT THING) could soon find themselves either having nowhere to go for studs or using inferior specimens simply because they had, had all the relevent test done. To give another example, what was the point of DNA testing my own females, if the stud dog I want to use is not DNA tested? Without DNA from both parents, it was impossible to supply absolute proof of the breeding of any resulting pups, the implications of which, in a court of law, could be catatrophic should any puppy owner decide to ask for the proof!!! Afterall they did only come to you because you had SIGNED UP TO THE ACCREDITED BREEDER SCHEME.

So how seriously did the KC take my fears or suggestions ? This is where the farse begins, I was told not to worry because signing up for the scheme did not prevent me from using what stud dog I wanted to use!! In other words anyone could become an Accredited Breeder without doing all or in some cases even any of the health tests. At the same time seeming oblivious to the fact that there was No Purpose to a scheme that one could flaunt, except for those breeders who wanted a better outlet for their puppy sales and were quite prepared to 'pull the wool' over the new owners eyes in order to make their next sale. 

So much for my naive belief, that the KC were actually trying to do something POSITIVE this time. Thinking they had missed the fundamental flaw in the "Cart before the Horse" scheme, I had offered a suggestion that before introducing this scheme that over a period of years, they first 'Phase In' different elements of Breed Specific MANDATORY testing on all breeding stock, before pups can obtain KC registration.  All GSD's having acceptable Hip Scores for example, whereas DNA testing could be done for every dog being bred from, in every breed with immediate effect.  

In a nutshell, the KC had managed to introduce a scheme that was set to immediately become the biggest PUPPY SALE SCAM ever created

Needless to say,  as it currently stands there is more chance of the KC plaiting fog than getting me as a signatory to their AB Scheme.  A hipocrite I am not and have no intention of allowing the KC to turn me into one.  My signature and my promise actually means something, I have absolutely no intentions of signing up to A SHAM.  I tell my puppy owners THE TRUTH about what I have or have not tested for. How can anyone who has signed up for something they dont, or more to the point find it impossible to  adhere to, be trusted or believed? Think about it !!! (Mo, I know you are genuine as are many others signed up to this scheme, but just think how Mr Joe Public might view you should something go wrong and how would you stand in court?)

Best Regards

Sue B 

Mo,

Sorry Mo, but somehow the end bit  dissapeared, It read:- Mo, changing the subject, what a great day in great company we had yesterday!!

Regards

Sue B

PENNY  &  SUE.B.     I totally agree with you and very well written too !.

I find this sham of a scheme most embarrassing and very dificult to convince Joe public that its misleading at the highest level !.

So what , if anything can be done about this ?????.  Anybody got any ideas ?. If you have any ideas you can count me in to support them.

perhaps some sort of gold stamp as i have said before but the problem is who will do this? i have some ideas but i haven't ever tackled something on this scale before

As far as I am concerned any scheme that allows you to register as a KCAB without ever even HAVING a litter is a total waste of time; one should EARN this title, not just pay for it.

Yes Tigermouse this is the problem who will do it ?.

I would think it would have to come from the GSD clubs . 

 I cant think of anything other than maybe a proper registered petition on the internet  that can be signed and passed on by all of us and submitted to the K.C. to request them to straighten up their act !!!!!.  Obviously such a petition would cover all breeds and not only ours so I would have thought there would be enough signatures on it to at least make the K.C. see the error of their ways !.  The petition would obviously need to contain all of our grievances that we have with the current K.C. Accredited breeder scheme and the proposals for a better one .  What do you think ?.

I certainly will not do it - The JRD subject has proved one hell of a lot to me about those in our GSD breed.
If the GSD Breed Council was of any use or value to our GSD breed, they would have been the appropriate vehicle to pursue this matter with the Kennel Club, particularly on behalf of GSD Breeders.
An online Petition appears to be the most appropriate course of action.

Perhaps I have just become more synical these days but sadly,  Trueview what I think is that a petition would be a waste of time and also fear there would be less signatories prepared to sign in protest of the flaws in the AB Scheme than there was prepared to sign up for the Scam in the first place. I actually believe many have signed purely because as Scams goes it is probably a very profitable one, both for the Kennel Club and in extra puppy sales for unscrupulous breeders. What better way to make more money than have people queueing up to buy a pup from you because they think you are doing everything right whilst in essence, other than the cost of joining the KC A.B. Scheme, these breeders are probably spending less on other Health Screening Schemes than other breeders with more scruples.

If any petition is needed, it is one asking the Kennel Club WHY, as the UK's Governing Body for Pedigree Dogs, it has NEVER introduced any MANDATORY Health Screening to improve the quality of life for any dog, of any breed? It will be very interesting to see what excuses the KC could come up with, other than the obvious loss of revenue they would encounter from a drastic drop in pups viable for registration.

Regards

Sue B

Sue B - I fully endorse your second paragraph above.
 

Sue B - you certainly have very good points.

My question which I have already placed with the KC and never had a reply to is what is the point in screening when there are no upper limits.  Its a bit like having to sit a driving test knowing you cant fail!  The KC ABS requires breeders to undertake the relevant screening that has been chosen for the set breed but with no cut off point!

 Whats the point in screening for say hips when an ABS breeder can still use a dog whatever the score??

Also having a system where breeders pay - the best breeders I know of, and stud dog owners dont bother with the scheme but offer far more advice and support than many of the accredited ones, also undertake far more testing and are far more open about their dogs, their breeding records and progeny scores.