Long Coat question.... - Page 2

He is a nice looking pup.    And he is out of Bannon you said.

He Looks much like 10 month old Goran, and he like yours is a beautiful little Pup,  enjoy him.

If some on this forum discriminate against Long Coats which they do, I think it is for commercial reasons alone and there are a lot of commercial people on this forum according to what i have read.

 Long Coats in the working line compete just as well as the Short Coats but of course they are in the minority and are as intelligent and have the drive the same as short coats

Showing that may be another question ,but working on the Schutzhund  field the differnce is nil

Steve

Many longcoats take a while to develop the full coat.  There are many levels of long coat - from just over a short coat with fringing right up to those that have a coat like a Yeti.

He looks much like my bitch who is a long coat but only just.  One big plus of them is the fact that they dry much quicker than the correctly coated short coat.

Further to STEVE1's comments, yes, as you have realised the boy has a long coat, but there are varying degrees of length of coat in the accepted standard as well as the 'long' coats. As stated before, there are far worse problems with the German Shepherd, some long coats look great and can work brilliantly too. The exact opposite is a handsome, well bred typical show dog, can't work and has no drive whatsoever, just looks pretty. I have first hand knowledge of this having bought a beautiful young male with top German Bloodlines that will be great in the showring but  will never be able to work and would be very hard pushed to even do his BH and Sch.H1!!!!!!!

I know of a lot of people who prefer long coats, but the problem we have is that there 'long coat' breeders who breed from sub-standard dogs with little or no hip and elbow status, who just breed to make a fast buck. If a person really wants a long coat it's not the crime of the century and they should be able to more easily buy long coats with top bloodlines, excellent hip/elbow status with very little or no health problems in the lines instead of having to take the back door way to buy a long coat shepherd? I know they're not 'standard', but people have like and dislikes, if the coated dogs aren't being bred  from surely it does no harm to produce them from time to time, as they are indeed favoured by so many? Just because they are not 'to standard, it wont stop 'joe-public' from wanting one. Why should they have to put up with basically a 'load of old rubbish' from 'back-street breeders' to get what they like?

Sorry for the sermon, and this should be another thread I know, but I got carried away!!!!!

Ginnymay - I quiet agree with you.  There are many longcoats out there of substandard quality generally due to people trying to breed only for the coat.

However there are also some stunning longcoats who with the right coat would do really well in the ring, and do well working,  My current bitch moves beautifully, much better than many shortcoats I've seen with a fluid motion and extensive reach.  She also has a UK BVA Hip score of 2:6 which is really good.  I have to admit hoping to put her to a fab short coat in the hopes of reproducing her in a short coat form!

Thank you everyone for the replies to my questions and comments on Brix.  He has AMAZING drives with endless energy!!!  Needs a job to do =)  Very sweet dog.  Yes he is out of Esther x Bannan....looks just like his dad just "poofy" lol and darker. 

I agree with Ginnymay about the hip ratings etc, No dogs whatever coats they have should be bred from Dogs with Hips problems but we all know that they are

I know nothing about the Showline at all short or Long  coats,They are Dogs which are bred for Show and they do a good Job more importantly they are thought of and loved just the same by there owners

Goran 10 months old is a Long Coat, His obedinance is good and his drive on the small items in protection is going on well, As regards to jumping, You only have to point to the one Meter Jump ,one plank taken down to three quarters of a meter not that he needs it off but no point in letting him overdo it, and say to him 'Op' over he goes say Op' again he jumps back then back to foot'  walk to the 7ft A Frame and say Op over he goes then comes back ,give him a small dumbell Block and he will take it over and bring it back and release when told to 'Los' So todate he is well up on most Pups at his Age  at the training club, long or short coated, a very brave and intelligent little Pup, but more importantly he loves to please

Steve

What a beautiful pup you will have a great time with him .

He may end up looking like this...

He would be his uncle thru Eddy

There is a DNA test available that can tell you if your dog is a genetic longcoat or if it carries the gene recessively or if it is free of the gene. The final length is determined by modifying genes.  The modifiers tell the coat when to stop growing. In other words, they turn off the growth of the coat length when it reaches the length it is genetically programmed to be. This is why there are various lengths to GSD coats.  You might also notice that some longcoated puppies come into a somewhat shorter coat after they shed their puppy coats and the undercoat may not be as profuse when they are adults.

Some  plushes would probably test positive for actually being longcoats and some that appear to be longcoats may test negative for being a longcoat, positive for being a carrier.  This is why you occasionally hear someone say they have bred 2 longcoats together and not all the puppies had longcoats, some were plushes. There is a very fine line between a plush and a longcoat. If they were DNA tested and if both parents were genetic longcoats all the puppies would also be. The modifiers are inherited independently of the longcoat gene, so each pup in each litter will have a different set of modifiers unless there are identical twins. It is possible for two longcoats to produce a dog that LOOKS like a plush, but it would still test positive for being a genetic longcoat.

I suspect that most of the plushes with KKL1, 2 would most likley test positive for being carriers of the LC gene and some would be genetic longcoats themselves. Until the SV requires DNA for the LC gene, we will never know.