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Some are confusing Sport with Prison and interrogation tactics.  Dogs that love to work will work, dogs that do not want to work, should not be shocked, beat, screamed at, etc....

I am not a Schutzhund expert and only a recent fan, but it seems some people are taking this sport too far at times. If you want to succed in dog training, select a dog genetically inclined and mentally capable to be trained and stop all the Nazi-ike cruel and inhumane techniques of shock collars on the neck, spinal cords, balls, tail, throat, and any other inhumane, negative correction type abuses that I see displayed on this boad often as Training techniques. 

(FYI, not to confuse correcting your animal for doing something bad with punishing your animal for not performing as good as others in a competition, shock colars are effective only in certain circumstance, ie..barking, agression..etc.)

For those trainers that train through intimidation and fear and not through the simple enhancement of the pleasure of a dog's inclination to please you have already failed in the sport without even competing.

my 2.1/2 cents

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I don't know if I like Pistaccios or Cashews better.

What is more of a crime?

Taking a dog out and working it, or leaving him in a house to lie at your feet while you watch the Charles in Charge marathon? 

Putting a little pressure on a good nerved dog, or sitting on your ass with the dog eating Doritos? 

All methods, used in a correct manner can be useful.  Do not loop all into one. 

I think I like the pistaccios better, but they are more work.  I don't like the red.  Too messy.  It gets all over my remote.

call me old fashioned, but I like peanuts

Unsportsmanlike must be the new USCA buzzword for cruel, inhumane......  Didn't our hero burgos get convicted in criminal court for animal abuse???? You would think the USCA would do thier best to distance themselfs from people like this. Sad.......

I'm not defending anyone, but I will defend the right to use a certain training method.  Just because someone uses a tool for something outside of the intended use, does not mean that everyone does.  That would mean that all people use a knife like OJ. 

I don't know the full details of Rick' s case, but electric should not be the discussion.  Just like, "guns don't kill people, people do". 

Blame the perp not his weapon.

forget the red pistaccios, go for the greeeeeeen gravy

E-collars have nothing to do with handler-aggressive dogs. When they are used effectively, they provide an impersonal form of reinforcement--an extremely low level of stimulation or use of the page (vibrate) function. Often, when used during training, the remote is actually handled by someone other than the handler at a considerable distance from the dog.

Gosh, can't you see how this poor, tortured, titled, male (schmoozing with a complete stranger and instant friend) has had his spirit destroyed by the use of an e-collar?

I beleive he was found guilty of not providing adequate care to a dog he was boarding:

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/102007/10292007/328491

Look, you can't string someone up just because you want to.  I am not defending the guy, I do think it's really unfair to expect UScA to do more than what they are allowed.  As far as e-collars, no they are not just for remote training or difficult dogs.  They are very good and humane when used correctly.  

poor guy, he looks rather broken to me (sarcasm)

Also, why do people use extremes to prove a point.  The stories are all the same.  These dogs kill, their owners shock them till the screech from pain, the dog would shit himself whent he handler came thru the door from being on an e collar, etc.  Those situations are not the norm.  Many of them are happy well adjusted dogs, just like the one in the picture appears to be.

But I guess you can't accept that when it doesn't fit into the view that ecollars or whatever are the work of the devil.