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by Preston on 19 April 2008 - 04:04
Don, you are right to be concerned about all the dog legislation in California. It is part of the creeping fascism that is taking over our great nation. All the diversity and political correctness stuff are merely political tools to destroy the constitution and take away our freedoms. It seems that we now have a thug caste in power at the highest levels. Why do the oil companies fund "animal rights groups" and "environmental groups" ? It's a marketing ploy, to further an antidrilling anti-refinery strategy to keep the oil supply down and the price high, thus keeping the profits high and thus restructuring our nation from a free constitututional republic to a fascist corporate oligarchy. The dog sports are the canaries in the coal mine. When heavy new laws take them away from us, the republic will be "dead".

by Don DeLeon on 19 April 2008 - 04:04
WOW! Yellow Rose, I didn't know that the powers that be are actually chipping people! I was trying to be facetious about the AVID chips. What one doesn't know can hurt you!

by Don DeLeon on 19 April 2008 - 04:04
Preston Well met!
by Preston on 19 April 2008 - 06:04
In Mexico there is a whole department of gov't where all the employees have to accept RFIDs chips in order to work there. Many county morgues are already chipping all cadavers they get. Some hospitals have started chipping infants and the elderly (so far by petrmission only).
I do think that ID chips for pets sounds like a great idea at first, but I'm not so sure it is wise in the long run if it makes it easier for folks to accept the idea of being chipped and having all their purchases and travels charted by satellite via RFID.
If you want more information about the "RFID plan", you may find the following interview with Aaron Russo informative:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1265235012255218560&q=aaron+russo&ei=oIwJSK7pJovQ4ALPmqS1BA

by animules on 19 April 2008 - 14:04
As this topic moved to include micro-chipping I do not think I'm hijacking with this.
Be aware of how scary NAIS is. Premis ID, all "livestock" (includes poultry) micro-chipped, must report movement between locations (horse shows, cattle shows, veterinarian, trail rides, races), when the animal is sold and to whom, or when the animal is either butchered or dies.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst052906.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Animal_Identification_System
The state of Colorado made premis ID mandentory for any young person wishing to compete in 4H or FAA. Unles they had a premis ID and animals registered they could not compete. This is a underhanded way to force the young peoples parents into having to comply.
by Blitzen on 19 April 2008 - 14:04
Some very scary stuff going on here. We had better soon figure out a way to take back our country.

by GunnarGSD on 19 April 2008 - 14:04
First to blame are organizations like PETA and HSUS who want the total liberation of animals - meaning no pets, no service dogs, no working dogs, no livestock, etc.
Second to blame are lawmakers who want anticipated quick fixes to issues caused by irresponsible owners and those that are incorrigible in society and want animals as status symbols.
Places have enacted BSL and mandatory s/n and have typically reported no success. Rather it becomes a financial burden on the locales that enact this legislation.
Owners of animals need to become active in fighting these animal rights groups and the legislators that feel these laws are beneficial.
by Blitzen on 19 April 2008 - 15:04
Excellent post, GunnarGSD.

by Sunsilver on 19 April 2008 - 16:04
To present an opposing viewpoint (believe me, I'm not at all in favour of Big Brother being able to track my every move!)...
No matter how good an idea is to start with, it seems someone will find a way to turn it to evil.
Here are a few good reasons for microchipping:
Every year, elderly people with Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia wander away from their homes and get lost. Some die from hypothermia. Their lives could have been saved if they'd been microchipped or tagged in some way.
If your very valuabe dog were stolen, or lost, wouldn't YOU want to be able to track it , in order to get it back home?
What if your KID were kidnapped?? Or lost?
In the case of livestock, supposing an animal, at the time of slaughter, proved to have some disease harmful to humans. Wouldn't it be nice if you could trace the animal to its farm of origin, in order to get a handle on the disease before it could spread, and become more difficult to contain?
Pros and cons, people. AS LONG AS IT'S VOLUNTARY, I say, 'what the hey?'
(Gets her blast-proof armour ready...)

by Two Moons on 19 April 2008 - 17:04
Jamille,
They have a sign on the wall at the humane society in that county??? And what weight does that sign carry? I'm not sure right at the moment where noblesville is, I guess I could look it up. Is there law on county record or is this just a sign on the wall?
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