question for breeders who title their dogs - Page 2

Except if they purchase a puppy from you then you don't want it bred unless it's titled - hence the limited registration?

FYI  Not sure how other kennels do but all of my dogs sold here puppies etc are open registration never have SOLD one with limited registration ever. I have given away a female puppy with a "innie" with limited registration because we did not want her breed.   Marlene

Sorry, Marlene  I should have specified  those who sell on limited registration.  We have had a lot of discussion here recently about Limited vs Regular registrations and this is what I was thinking about when I posted.  I know you don't,  Dean and Karla don't either.

The natural drives and temperament of a dog after having been meddled with in training are sometimes not an actual reflection of it's genetics.  The training process is to ensure the handler's knowledge of the dog's limitations and strengths that it may produce in breeding.  That is, in the process of "doing", and not from the end results (i.e., titles & scores).

I may as the pup's breeder, be able to give a fairly accurate assessment of it's producing capabilities, but then, I won't be the one that's breeding it.  A handler who has commited his/her time to the development of the dog, should have no illusions of what the dog brings to the table.  It may very well be, that a dog who the breeder has spent countless hours training, and not achieved any working credentials, is more intimately known for its capability of producing (to the person making the breeding decisions), than a purchased dog already titled. 

My "imposed" limited registration, is for a very good reason, and not limited to "just" sporting titles.  An acceptable cause to lift limited registration could include, for example, passing NARC detection training and evaluation by a certified k9 trainer, or PSE certificate accompanied with a temperament test.  Basically, an evaluation of work and temperament conducted by a third party professional, passing OFA, and min. 2yrs age for females.

There are many k9 trainers who would rather begin with a young adult / green dog that has little or no training.  A working evaluation and temperament evaluation conducted on a dog free from the influence of prior training will more objectively reveal if that dog is a simple waste of time.  This dog, in it's rawest form, won't have anything to "unlearn" or re-learn differently, either.

I want my puppy owners to KNOW the dog you decide to breed, and breed for intended working purpose.  But essentially I was stating above, that you may learn best about a dog, before it has learned a particular skill, and of course, also in the process of teaching it.

now this is very enjoyable to read. it's amazing how much more fun it is to read when everyones not bashing/judging each other but rather respecting points of view.

i could see reasons for both limited/un-limited reg. i wouldn't want a puppy mill buying 1 of my puppies for the sole purpose of selling ''import lined'' dogs! then again who am i to tell anyone if that pup is not national level! i think that when and if i breed, i will sell most on a limited reg! only because of the before mentioned. i will however lift said limitation if the person want's to ofa, wait till said male/female is of breeding age. and has atleast done some sort of constructive training with the dog. i.e. the earlier post of an outside/3rd person professional doing the temperment test.

i purchased a young import female a while back with plans to breed. she has very solid bloodlines and is a great family dog, now that i'm getting more into the dogs, and will be learning the sport of sch, i'm not so sure that we will breed her! she doesn't seem to have the temperment that me and my wife love about my male! not nearly as confident around strangers, great with obstacles and new places. hates the vet. but even though i have considerable money invested, i may GIVE her to my mother-in law, spayed of course!  yet no one understands why i would give a 3k$ dog away without ''making'' any money off of her! my reply is simple, although i still get the deer in the headlights look, she's not what i want to produce or introduce into a breeding with my name on it.

kenny

Good for you Kenny, and good for the breed - Hat's off to you.

molly

well maybe a hat off, but i'm kicking my own a$$ . and eventhough her and my male would produce better than anything in the price range i'm looking to sell @ i still don't think it's right. like i said a great family dog. would produce decent pets, just not the rock solid dog i want to produce. i'm starting to see some differences in the cz, vs, wg working vs, wg show. they all have their place and my female is definately nice on the eyes , that's what i get for listening to the wife wanting a ''pretty'' gsd!  but hey i get ALOT of wow she's  a beautiful dog comments.

kenny

I have no derision for people who know dogs well and do an occaional untitled breeding, from good gods with a good health guarantee. I am, however, disgusted by a few of the puppy farm "breeders" around here who breed generation after generation of garbage, no OFA, nothing. I really cannot ignore it, as often I end up training these dogs and have to deal with them firsthand. I bite my tongue when people ask me what I think of their dog, as a professional, you have to.

There is a breeder in my state whose ad claims "established 1906!"....ummmmm.  They might have maybe wanted to check when the GSD actually came to the US before making that claim.

The most amazing part is, two of the breeders that come to mind charge $1000-1200 for their puppies. And people pay it!! If they were good quality dogs, I could care less, but these are poorly structured, unhealthy, neurotic nervebags.

BTW- I sell pups with disqualifiying faults on limited registration at a reduced price.