Breeding a Workingline Female to a Showline Male - Page 2

Clearly there's nothing "wrong" per se with such a cross.  I'm sure you can find homes for the puppies, but I would not expect any serious competition-minded buyers on either side of the fence to come a runnin' to your whelping box. 

As stated before, those who want dogs to prance in the show ring will stick with V and VA breedings.  Those who want dogs to hammer on the long bite will stick to V protection scores and pronounced courage ratings.

Doesn't mean you can't get your dream female out of this breeding, or place the other pups. 

Just curious... why bother asking for opinions on the breeding anyway?  If you've already made up your mind to do this, then I don't expect any comments from the peanut gallery to disuade you. 

My SAR dog in training is a show/working mix and is doing great.  Handsome (but not show quality, not my deal anyway) and a killer work ethic for his job. I've known the breeder for years and he is very interested in bringing his dogs (not the breed) back to GSD's not showline or working lines. My boy is a third generation of careful mixed breeding and breeder says the outcomes are becoming much more predictable with each generation. He says you have to do these crosses with even more research than normal and with an eye for years down the road for outcomes. He's not had problems with placing his pups. There's usually a waiting list and my boy's sister is doing amazing at Sch.

So I agree you won't get top level competitors after these pups, but what percentage of owners are top level competitors?

Aye! Me only breeds for me own use. When me breeds if someone really wants a pup it be fine aye. If not, me planned on keeping t' whole litter anyway. T' best breeding me ever made was me grandson of Cello to me Maineiche/Karthago bitch aye. Me truly did get t' best o' both worlds Aye!

Thanks for all the input.  I haven't made up my mind yet and have quite a bit of time to do so.  Louise...that dog is very nice!!  I already have a breeding lined up with the same female this summer with a DDR male. 

Capt.- You keep the whole litter??

I have enjoyed this thread but think perhaps the OP was being a bit disingenuous  and perhaps looking to us to write her future ads. When you check her site you will see that she recently purchased two 5 month old show line males - who she is already promoting as future studs without even knowing what they will grow up to be! While she does seem to be planning a breeding to an outside male so far her breeding has consisted of in-house dogs and as Dr. Phil says the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

OP a thought for the future. The stud dog fee can be the cheapest or most expensive part of the breeding - it all depends IF the dog is right for your bitch (cheapest if true most expensive if not) AND brings something to the table that furthers the goal you are working towards.

So my question to you is in contemplating this show/working cross what are you trying to accomplish, what can a show line bring to your bitch that she does not have and vice versa and what show lines if any possess the characteristics that you are looking for. Perhaps answers to these questions would generate a more interesting discussion.

VKFGSD - LOL.Wow, that was quite rude.  Yes, I bought the two males in hopes that I'll be able to utilize them in my breeding program.  But that is 2-3 years down the road once titled, shown and have passed hips and elbows.  What is wrong with this???  If they don't accomplish these goals and can't contribute to bettering the breed then they won't be used for breeding.  These are my first two showline pups and I'm new to the German show and Schutzhund world...so trying to learn as much as possible!  Fortunately, I'm training with one of the best and most respected trainers in the US.

I am young and have only had 2 litters in my entire life and that is with my certified SAR dogs.  Yes, I guess you can say that's an inhouse breeding.  They are proven working dogs and OFA certified hips and elbows.  I have a lot of goals in mind, and I came to this database to ask questions and learn, not be badgered and criticized. 

Why would I be asking tips on future ads? LOL   I'm just wanting input from experienced breeders on this type of combination. 

watsongsd, ye never know what is going to happen. Before me breeds anything, me plans on keeping t' whole litter just in case aye. If someone drives all t' way out here to see a pup, me usually spends t' whole time tryin to talk them out of buying anything Aye!! If me gets a funny feeling or not like t' potential buyer it be over aye.

Louise,

what a beautiful male, the brother also! They are living proof that you can be successful in combining these lines. It might take several tryouts and lots of research, but that is what breeding is all about. I will be doing some combinations soon as well. As far as puppy sales are concerned, I am not worried that these puppies would not find loving private homes.

In Germany, quite a few breeders on both sides have tried or are trying these combinations. I remember Quax vom Stadtfeld. His breeder took his best producing female Lorett to Uran Wildsteiger Land. And take a look at cute Lotte von Arlett: www.arlett.de/hunde/lottevonarlett.html Margit van Dorssen would not have kept her back if she was not nice. Go ahead and watch the videos. That little girl is awsome. She will be one year old next month. I have been watching her since she was a puppy.

Chris

Thank you for sharing the link for the videos of Lotte...she's VERY nice!!  I really enjoyed the videos!