Registering a pup who gets to name it? - Page 2

A breeder who fills in any of the dog's registered name is violating AKC rules and it can get  you into hot water with AKC if the owner complains. Another example of that pesky American  right that possession is 9/10 of the law of the land. The dog belongs to the owner ergo the owner has the right to name it.

From the AKC website - see Chris' post above for the link:

"The person who owns the dog at the time the application for registration is submitted to the AKC has the right to name it................" AKC will enforce that rule if the  owner complains, I've seen it happen.  AKC will permit one name change for a dog whelped in the US as long as the dog has not produced an AKC registered litter or received an award at an AKC licensed or member event. Also the breeder/s of record must consent in writing to the name change.

The only way to legally make sure your kennel name is used is to individually register each dog in the entire litter using the names you want and listing yourself as the owner of each. When you sell each dog,  you can then transfer the ownership into the name of the new owner and they cannot change that name without your written permission.  Or you can keep on filling in the registration slips hoping no one complains to the AKC . Lots of luck with that!

Blitzen,

That is what we do.  People know what the names are.  We have changed one or two, based on requests, working with the sson to be owners when we transfer the puppies over.

FROM NOW ON I WILL REGISTER THE PUPS MYSELF AND SELL THEM WITH THE AKC REGISTRATION ALREADY IN PLACE    I CAN DO IT THE DAY I SELL THEM ONLINE   BUT I HAVE TO DROP MY CO OWNERSHIP ...CANT DO CO OWNED ON LINE...ONE LITTLE TRIP UP..

PERSON WHO BOUGHT  MY PUP AND WHITED OUT THE NAME OF MY KENNEL ONLY  ,,, HAD A SIGNED CONTRACT BY HIM AN MYSELF ,,BEEN THRU THIS INFO BEFORE...HE WAS WELL AWARE AND HE ALSO TRIED AND DID SELL THE PUP AND IT WAS CLEARLY IN THE CONTRACT AS TO HIS AND MY STAND ON THAT ISSUE...  THIS CASE IS STILL PENDING  AND WAS CLEARLY KNOWN THAT HE IS INVOLVED IN OTHER SIDE SHOWS AND VIOLATIONS OF OTHER ISSUES WITH THE LAW INVOLVED...

LIFE SURE GETS COMPLICATED WHEN YOU HAVE AKC AND SV AND ALL THE INTRIQUITE PAPEWORK RULES AND REGULATI0NS TO SORT OUT...

Silbersee you state  "the basic registration costs $ 20. That is just $ 5 more than the transfer? That is no big deal. Why should I, as the breeder provide an AKC certified pedigree for the new owner? Most people buy puppies as pets. Let's be honest here. How many of these puppies do you think actually end up in show and working homes?"

WHY- well only if you wish to keep your kennel name on the dog. As Blitzen states for the breeder to fill in any part of the name on the REGISTRATION is against AKC policy. And when being paid $1500 and up for a pup that few dollars extra has never set me back.  But that's just me.

As for being able to change the name 1 time, as mentioned above AKC will permit one name change for a dog whelped in the US as long as the dog has not produced an AKC registered litter or received an award at an AKC licensed or member event. Also the breeder/s of record must consent in writing to the name change.

THANKS for everyones advice on the matter. I've emailed the link (he's not a gsd guy, though i have been trying to convert him, LOL) to him so he can make up his own mind and do what he thinks best.

I don't understand why a pet buyer needs a "certified" pedigree. I never gave AKC certified pedigrees with any of my dogs including the ones that were sold for breeding and showing and I promise  you I didn't get nearly  $1,500 for a puppy in the 80's, more like a few hundred for a pet.  

Most pet buyers like a pedigree, it gives them bragging rights when someone asks about their dog and IMO they are entitled to it as part of the sale. I don't/didn't have a certified pedigree for either of my GSD's, not a big deal to me, but I did receive non-certified ones for both. All you need to do is go on line and print out a blank pedigree form and fill it in.  It's the dog's family tree ; why not give the buyer one more thing to be proud of when he buys a GSD?

I register my litters within a week or two of birth using the "FULL LITTER REGISTRATION".  This allows you to register the litter AND each puppy at the same time ....... and I am still the owner of the puppies when they are 1 - 2 weeks old :)

Check it out @ AKC under downloadable forms -

PS  All mine are registered with Limited Registration ....... which can be lifted later.

That works when both parents are AKC registered but about half of my litters are from males residing in Germany. For that, the registration process is a bit different.

Ramgsd, if I register my litters with USA, the owners do receive a certified pedigree which in my opinion is much more valuable since it will give show ratings, Schutzhund titles and breed survey reports (on the first two generations). I do think if breeders can charge $1,500 or more that they should provide this with the puppy (if they fullfill the requirements). 

Of course, the dogs who go over to Germany still need an AKC certified 4-generation pedigree since AKC is the only FCI recognized organization here.

Blitzen, I agree! Before the net I used to write out unofficial pedigrees in calligraphy (in addition to copies of the parents' real papers) and the USA/SV pink papers. Now, I provide links to this database, as soon as the puppies are registered here.

Chris

And with both parents in Europe (our F litter), the litter was whelped/registered in Europe and export pedigrees brought over with the puppies.  Names already done.

The owners that bought the puppies had no issue with that - call name versus registered name.  They were happy they did not have to deal with getting the export pedigree, as like with the AKC registration (all the way through) on the other litters, it is part and parcel of the cost of the puppy.