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I hate message boards..

you agree this is not the best media for communicating problems or idea's.

I hope someday Oli has a real time chatroom.

thanks Dees, good information.

This does sound a little strange and the only thing that makes logical sense from what you've stated is that it's seizure related as the other's mentioned.  If it turns out that it's not a medical condition then I'm wondering what if anything you can do to help without really knowing EXACTLY what is going on in the owner's home with the dog???  Do they still want to keep her or are they so upset they no longer want to deal with the dog?

Good Luck with this one and let us know the outcome; I'm curious to know myself.

hey guys-- I have the dog here and have spent the last few hours with her.. She has not peed in my house at all and is acting like a happy normal dog. I verbaly scolded her in a harsh tone when she when to clean the cat litter box and when she was counter jumping... All she did was get down and look at me like ok Fine... My husband also did the same things in case it had something to do with MEN... Nothing same thing. We took her out and played in the yard all is fine ,,, Happy dog all the way around.  She is playing with her mom and seems happy to play with another dog.... I was hoping to could get her to show me this reaction so  that i can calmly deal with it and see what is causing this to happen. NOthing  shows me what they are seeing. I do not feel she has been beaten at all.. I am thinking that becasue his wife is scared of her now and she thinks this will work that is how to get left alone. She did bite him for trying to grab her when she cornered herself and also broke a K-9 tooth on the leash  snap.  They do want to keep her and want me to try and fixt his problem. But i can not fix this if i dont see it and know why it happens..

I did talk to him about what happens when he would put her up, He said she would calm down and be just fine with in a min or two..

I will be taking her with me to my club this weekend and also to a pro trainer friend of mine so more people can see this dog in person.. We will see what  comes in the nest few days..

Uber Land could be correct.  There is the phenomenon of psychomotor seizures, parietal or temporal lobe, which can cause the dog to act out the seizure through mild outbursts of motor behavior rather than losing consciousness.  The baring of the teeth and biting may be purely psychomotor response, but could be caused by a severe headache caused by the vascular issue, such as a vascular spasm, or even sequelae to a prior head injury. Also possible could be some kind of rare glandular problem causing hypoglycemia.

These  types of disorders are quite rare and can be genetic or caused by vascular maldevelopment with two vessels restricting and inflaming each other, or  an anurism.  Few Vets have the skills to diagnose this or deal with these neurological disorders.  You may do best at a University based Vet specialty clinic.  

we will watch her for the next few weeks ... I will do the UA tomarrow.. Also no other pups have any problems and all the owners have been in contact with me since they left this owner is the only one who i dont hear from frequently, only when there was a problem was i contacted. her from brothereven read with handycapted kids, SAR, and Agility ... I am very flutered today i will update on this when i have more info...

If her U/A comes back positive as someone else said going to a speciality hospital with a neurologist is probably a very good idea.  If you can afford it, and MRI might be in store.  Definitely sounds like there's something in her little brain that is almost shorting out if you want to call it that.  Since you've tried to mimick the scenario to no avail.  The urinating in the house may be pre seizure activity for her. 

Are you sure that this person did not lose his temper on the dog?I saw something very similar to this and it was cause the SOB had been losing his temper and terrorizing the dog cause of the peeing when the dog saw him or sometimes other family meembers.Instead of dealing with it properly he use to freak out on the poor young dog.

Weberhaus, there are a couple of things you need to ask the owner to help you isolate the issue, if it is seizure related.

Did this always occur in the same part of the house? What cleaning chemicals do they use? lighting in the area where behavior occurs? any music playing? you may not be able to duplicate the environment or the trigger for the behavior. Are either of the owners on any medications? so they wear perfume or aftershaves? What you are trying to determine is the trigger for the behavior.

The behavior in the crate or kennel after the incident sounds very similar to what happens when a dog or human experiences these aggressive seizures. It takes them a few minutes to subside, and then all is back to normal, except the animal is usually sleepy.

I'm wondering if the owners just don't want the dog anymore for whatever reason and are full of KaKa?? LOL  Sounds like the pup is doing fine with you and perhaps happier in your environment than his owners.  If it's not a medical condition causing this I'd have to seriously take what the owners are saying with a grain of salt. You're doing what you can to help, that's all you can do at this point.  I know you're probably frustrated, concerned and puzzled all at the same time but I'm sure you'll be able to work this out and get a more clear picture after the dog spends a little more time with you.