German Showlines with working ability - Page 2

I found it http://www.schneidenfels.com/index.htm ! (there is no von)

Sorry about that.  He is a very nice male.  I was extremley impressed with this male when I went down and seen him. 

gshepherd,

There are several of us in Alpha Schutzhund Training Group in MD and Northern VA that are striving for that exact thing!

A couple have litters on the ground, or are expecting a litter soon.

Please feel free to e-mail me, sheesh101@hotmail.com

and you can also contact these breeders: :

 www.vondenblauenbergen.com 

www.vondersauk.com

Theresa

Thank you all for the information. I will also be emailing some of you for more information!

I am not looking for a dog right at this moment, probably a year or more from now,  but wanted to start my research.  I will definitely find a breeder who works and titles their own dogs, I already know of one breeder in my area who I will be talking more to, but wanted to keep my options open, and see what all is out there to be had.  I know that there are dogs who can work from all types,  but I figure its better to start off with someone who is aiming for the traits that I admire. 

I have an am. showline and a german showline currently, and have met several GSDs of all types, and I guess everyone has their favorite type, the German Showlines are mine! I am working my current G showline in Schutzhund, he got a late start, so training is week by week, and who knows how far we will go.  I am learning a lot, and having a blast.  I know I will be looking for a sport prospect in the future, but Id like to see where me and my boy go first.  Maybe a year from now, maybe more.. but I want to start my research.  I am taking my notes!!

Thanks all!

gshepherd,

what about this GSD?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0E6PD6QgXFU

You might also look up Michele O with Alpenhof kennels.  Michele has Kirschental lines with are known for their brains, beauty and working abilities.  Michele is extremely knowledgeable, helpful and has titled some of her own dogs.  She is a member of the Buffalo NY.  I have a two year old from one of her breedings I am titling in Schutzhund (my first GSD to title), and I couldn't be more pleased, with my dog and Michele.    The kennel  is located in Canada just across the border from NY.

http://www.alpenhofgsd.ca/

Mystere:   My addition would be that if you are really interested in obtaining a showline dog with excellent working abilities and temperament, you need to find a BREEDER who is WORKING, TRAINING AND TITLING the dogs they breed.  If the breeder is not getting his or her heinie out on the trial field,  they don't deal with working ability and (generally) consequently know little or nothing about working ability.  Louise Penery is an example--she got herself out there and worked the dog.  Her male made a rep for himself as a showline dog that really had working ability. 

Nia,

The real dilemma for conscientious breeders of show lines (with correct working drives and temperament) is finding suitable homes for their puppies--homes where the pups will be trained and titled.

Because of the unquestionable work  ethics of my studs, people bring some really outstanding bitches to them:

Geronimo vom Olympus http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/124262.html and his half-brother

Zeek vom Olympus http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/124258.html

These boys both have VA German sires--but are not imported, "flavor-of-the-month" dogs carring the mystique of German kennel names. However, you will not find any better working showline males than Geronimo and Zeek--each is SchH3 IPO3, KKl 1"a" lbz, have low ZW scores, and have OFA hips ("good") and elbows.

Both have been V-rated at multiple American Sieger Shows where the have had excellent performance tests. 

Right now, Geronimo and Zeek have a couple of very promising litters on the ground--litters (despite their reasonable prices) that have almost "gone-a-begging".

Please email these breeders and visit their websites (where you will find their telephone numbers):

Judy Kavanaugh jmkavanaugh@comcast.net     http://www.kavanaughshepherds.com/

Debi Sherman ShermanRanchGSD@aol.com    http://www.sherman-ranch.com/

Yep, Louis your studs are very nice GSDs.  And you deserve a great deal of credit for their overall quality and soundness, good male type with large heads, good pigment, good confirmation, great temperament, and importently,  very clean, healthy joints.  Especially praiseworthy is your solid commitment to using the OFA scheme and playing by the rules.

Wouldn't it great if all GSD breeders played by these rules and were so concerned with joint health, overall health and quality?

Preston,

Even more important is the fact that I have experience with 6 generations of this dog "family" on this side of the pond.

I trained/titled their grandsire, V Alex vom Nord Rasen  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/124219.html SchH3, KKl 1"a" lbz, HD "a" normal, OFA hips ("excellent") and elbows, vWD negative, hemophilia negative, CERF,  AKC CDX, Herding Tested, Therapy Dog, etc.

I was present when the litter wih Lex was born. I raised 4 males from this litter until they were six months old--at which time, I did prelims of hips and elbows--all were normal. Anyhow, I kept Lex after he won a class of 16 (6-9 pups) under Ernst Rückert. Unfortunately, his breeder didn't think that I could title him and sent him to a couple of abusive, SOB trainers for his BH and SchH1.

By the time, I took over old Lex's training, he was truly a "patchwork" dog that took me a couple of years to "re-program". One month before his 8th birthday, he completed his SchH2 (95 in tracking plus high scoring in protection and highest combined score in trial). A few months after his 8th birthday, he completed his SchH3.

Grandson Zeek got his BH at the latter trial at only 13 months. Zeek was trained for his BH in 5-6 weeks with all training off leash. In order to let Zeek have time to grow up, I completed some AKC titles with Lex.

Because of personality issues within several schutzhund clubs, I didn't want Zeek to be another SchH3 dog at the age of 8--so, I sent him to Germany for his SchH1, SchH 2, and breed survey (under Erich Bösl). I think that you will appreciate these comments from the breed survey:

 V. Besondere Vorzüge/Mängel
"Rüde mit ausgeprägten Triebanlagen."

VI. Beratung füe die Zuchtverwendung
"Geeignet für Hündinnen, denen es an TSB fehlt"

Not bad for a showline male!

After Zeek returned to the USA and was getting nowhere at local club training, I sent him to Heidi Theis who completed his SchH3, IPO3, and breed survey for life in almost record time. At the time, Heidi described Zeek as the most intelligent dog she had ever trained. She referred to him as "Mister Consistency".

Not surprising is the fact that I also sent Geronimo (Nimo) to Heidi at 18 months. He completed all of his titles (SchH3, IPO3, breed survey) with Heidi in roughly 7 months.

I spent a year fine-tuning Zeek and Nimo to work (with absolute obedience and drive-containment) for me with the extensive coaching of Jim Dobbs. Finally, I trained and handled Nimo for his breed survey for life and handled him in performance tests at 3 "sieger shows". You ought to seek Nimo (and me) in the DVD of the performance tests at the 2005 USA Sieger Show in Carson City. We had a ball!

At the age of 9, Zeek is producing large, healthy, quality litters. Nimo will be 7 in late April and is sought by conscientious breeders who respect his work ethic.

I'm blessed to have both of these boys. Thus far, they have produced nothing but clean hips and elbows in their progeny.

gshepherd,

You can listen to sales pitches all day long from those who claim to have fantastic working show lines... they MAY all be true... BUT I would NEVER take anyone's word for it.  If you are truly interested in finding TRUE WORKING show lines then you have to judge for yourself.  Seeing the dog(s) in person is absolutly necessary when someone is looking at these types of claims.  AND Hodie and others are absolutly right also, in that there is so much more to it than JUST bloodlines as discussed also. I encourage you to go out and LOOK hands on for what you desire.  Depending on where you are in the world, I offer you an invitation to come to my dogs training sessions any week you can set it up. I know Louise's dogs and can vouch for them, but you still need to get out there and see.  It sounds like you have observed enough to know what you are looking at and for, so the next big show in you area, get out there and observe the working class. I also encourage you to not to look at just the males... the females that are great working dogs are far more rare and valuable. and as some have documented, the female passes much more on to the puppies than the male. Don't rush into anything and take your time observing progeny as well as the specific dogs and bloodlines. I spent 2 years reserching and observing before I started choosing the lines I wanted.  Take you time and enjoy yourself.

Just some food for thought.

Sincerely,

Debby

http://castlebrookshepherds.net