Who breeds German Showlines with NO ROACH???? - Page 2

Try picking a puppy out of a litter from only a picture.LOL   I just purchased said puppy sight unseen other than pictures and I am a bit nervous as its time to go pick him up at the airport.  I trust the breeder who actually made the choice for me tho and I think I'm getting what I want.

GoldenElk,

you have not answered my question regarding some workinglines.

Here are a few examples. Are these dogs roached?

Veus: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/446448.html One of the most revered dogs in Germany lately, but he had to be put to sleep unfortunately. I really liked him. And while you look at him, please check out his father V-Buster. For me, he is one of the nicest blacks. But he also has a "curvy" back.

Here is good old Ursus: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/6186.html What about his back? And here is a photo series of his famous grandson Larus: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/picturegallery/3284.html Roach?

What about Max della Loggia dei Mercanti, who IMO is one of the most important modern day producers? http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/343.html Is he roached? Or maybe his father Visum or grandfather Jeck?

In favor of creating a firm back the slight curve was developed. When you read old reports, in the earlier years our breed had a problem with soft backs which would sway and sag (almost like a pony). Also, a lot of dogs were overly stretched. When the breeders paid attention to that an unwanted development was the roach. It is considered a fault and judges will punish it accordingly in the ring.

Good luck with your puppy, TwoMoons.

It is almost impossible to judge a puppy from a photo. When I have a litter, I take lots of photos and often I am surprised how an individual puppy looks in picture vs. movement. I pick my puppies by movement.

If you have a good breeder, it is important to trust his or her decision, because photos can be so deceiving.

Chris

Not all showlines have roach backs. The dogs we breed do not have this look and they are West German showlines. Depends on the bloodlines as to what you will get.

Silbersee - Yes, roaches run through all veins of the GSD family, they tend to predominate in showlines.

Thanks Mystere, that's all I was asking for.

Sharon, can you kindly send me a link to your kennel. Thank you.

Mystere,

please get off this "defensiveness". I remember very well from discussions with you years ago that you always like to call it "defensiveness" when people dare to question certain opinions, especially about showlines.

Sorry but I revert to sarcasm with people like GoldenElk. He/she (?) is one of those people who will insist on his/her (?) opinion regardless of what anybody has to say. GoldenElk has stated in the past that he/she (?) thinks that these dogs are roached backs, when in reality they have that slight curve in the back which any wellbred GSD has, workinglines or showlines. I know that Ambreds do not have it. In turn they have that terribly sloping back due to overangulation and a steep front with an unnaturally held head (like a swan). But if people like that, more power to them. If anybody else is looking for a more square dog with a horizontal topline (please note I did not write straigt back, since that is not the same) and less angulation,  find a different breed. It is not in our standard. I would suggest a Malinois instead or a Tervuren or Groenendal. I recently read an article about psychology. It stated that people are often set in their opinions and even when confronted with facts and proof they still can't be swayed. I can see that many times here on this board. It gets tiresome to argue. If you want to call it sarcasm and defensiveness, so be it. I will now leave that debate to others. You can not change people's minds if they do not want it, period.

Sharon, good that you do not breed showlines with roach backs. But before you go further, you need to make sure that everybody has the same definition of  what a roach is as you do.

Good day to everyone,

Chris

Chris - you don't know me from adam, so don't presume to have my "type" pegged. I will tell you that I will always trust my eyes over the "lies" of the those trying to give me the hard sale. Now I'm done with you, I'm in no mood for the PD's daily drama and hissy fits.

To me, any point of the back that is higher than the wither, is a roach.