Is this pup a longcoat??? - Page 2

Long coats are not a rarity. Health problems that plague the GSD are not a rarity. Knowing something about temperaments, health, conFORmation (not confirmation - look it up), knowing something about the history of the breed, having carefully planned litters and knowing you CAN find good and lifelong homes, should ALL be among the prerequisites for breeding. I am constantly amazed at some of you who think it is ok to breed without a modicum of knowledge about the breed. This is what will destroy this breed...... RESEARCH, LEARNING, APPRENTICESHIPS, READING EVERY REPUTABLE SOURCE ONE CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON GOES A LONG WAY TO ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS POSTED HERE OVER AND OVER AND OVER. People are too damned lazy. And yes, Birdy, I am most assuredly bitching. Too bad some don't get the message.

AMEN Birdy!

Long coats are not a rarity. Health problems that plague the GSD are not a rarity. Knowing something about temperaments, health, conFORmation (not confirmation - look it up), knowing something about the history of the breed, having carefully planned litters and knowing you CAN find good and lifelong homes, should ALL be among the prerequisites for breeding. I am constantly amazed at some of you who think it is ok to breed without a modicum of knowledge about the breed. This is what will destroy this breed...... RESEARCH, LEARNING, APPRENTICESHIPS, READING EVERY REPUTABLE SOURCE ONE CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON GOES A LONG WAY TO ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS POSTED HERE OVER AND OVER AND OVER. People are too damned lazy. And yes, Birdy, I am most assuredly bitching. Too bad some don't get the message.<<<< You tell em I got your back... To the poster my bithes mom has the habit of throwing coated pups. Mine was the only female that was short haired. AND she has bad hips...There are even breeders who will tell you coats are rare and more expensive...I have learned way too much in the last 3 years. I wanted to breed will never do it. But I hope to get into rescue....

I have a female that I had bred with a full coat,twice, never had a full coated pup,also bred her daughter to same dog, never a full coat, I did get one very fluffy pup, and he turned out regular coat. I would say based on the history of the dam & sire, being that they have never produced a long coat, that it's just a fluffy puppy!

I don't know if it helps because I am far from an expert when it comes to breeding. But when I picked my dog up the rest were coats and you could just tell the difference...It was pretty obvious at, I think she was about 10 weeks at the time...

Oh FFS, the guy was being sarcastic with the "rare longcoat" comment. Am I the only one who noticed? Gimme a break. If you've never produced a longcoat, I can see how you might question whether or not you have one. In my opinion, there's nothing lazy about using an online resource full of helpful, friendly knowledgeable peers. Now if only we had one...

mirasmom, I think this is the kind of answers the poster was asking for. I'm sure if the pup is a coat that it will be placed appropriately, doesn't sound like she's out to breed for greed or the money. Although I see a lot of people here who live in glass houses accusing others of their same deeds. Maybe Oli should put an area up for Q & A which only allows someone to answer the questions at hand. Instead of being berated by every poster who has an personal attack issue up their ass. Hodie, I agree with most of what you say on this site but the person was asking for information. Not a sermon as to what a lot of other people do here even by you at times. YOU say on your web page that you produce puppies even though you rescue others. This can be interpreted many ways by whoever reads it. Obviously we all have our own beliefs of what is right or wrong in our eyes. I just think your post is a bit heavy handed based on this posters question. Birdy...

Birdy, For what it is worth, I have placed more than 450 GSDs. For what it is worth, I have bred two litters, only two of the 10 pups were sold and I own the rest. I will not breed the, in every other way, excellent female again because she produces weak ears in SOME of her pups. Some of you do not understand genetics either. Just because a dog has never produced x or y does NOT mean it cannot produce it. That includes long coats. As for what they look like, don't you think there are plenty of photos on the internet? And yes, a competent breed warden MIGHT be able to tell, depending on the age of the pups. If you don't appreciate my "sermon", don't read it. And just how many GSDS have you or all too many of the others quick to take people like me to task when I am "heavy handed" taken in, paid to bring back to health, spayed, neutered and vaccinated, kept until the RIGHT, permanent home was available? In some years I have spent more than $30,000 alone on medical issues with rescued dogs. I think I have earned my right to lecture and frankly, I will continue doing so whenever I choose. Based on some of the inane questions that are repeatedly posted here, maybe just one person will get a clue that one should not be breeding without knowledge about these and other issues. Perhaps you will agree with that. Perhaps not. My post is heavy handed and for a reason. This week alone I have had 4 people call or email wanting to dump their dogs. I cannot wait for a few months to begin fielding all the calls that will come from the people who got "Christmas" puppies. My post is "heavy handed" because I have wasted so much time today posting about someone who had their dogs eat rat poison and posts here asking us what she should do. This site makes me nuts and yes, I should stop reading it. Happy New Year.

Hodie, Your intentions are all good but what does any of this have to do with rockinrkranch's question? Birdy... quote: If you don't appreciate my "sermon", don't read it. And just how many GSDS have you or all too many of the others quick to take people like me to task when I am "heavy handed" taken in, paid to bring back to health, spayed, neutered and vaccinated, kept until the RIGHT, permanent home was available? In some years I have spent more than $30,000 alone on medical issues with rescued dogs. I think I have earned my right to lecture and frankly, I will continue doing so whenever I choose.

Birdy, It has to do with people breeding who cannot answer the most fundamental questions related to the breed. Or who do NOT understand elementary genetics..... No offense to you, and none meant really personally to the original poster. But we have been over and over and over this and similar questions before and no one seems to get it.