Liver Puppy in PDB ad? - Page 2

There was a site that had compiled a list of  a lot of the dogs common in pedigrees ( both show and working, as well as American lines) known for producing livers, blues and coat factor.  I will try to find it.  I think the name was Sahiela, or something like that --very close to the Cheyenne name for themselves. 

Nia

I have to admit that that steel blue dog on the posted site is pretty impressive looking "Yahto"...he would make a very pretty pet.

Chris I'm not disappointed. I know they pop up in all lines. Just poking a little fun.

I did not see any black on the pup Kaffirdog.

I don't think it would matter if there were some black on it--the coat is clearly a liver and the markings go with it.   I would love to know the lines.

If there's nothing physically wrong with the liver pup, then why does he have to be "just a pet"?  Someone might be able to make a good sport dog out of him, or SAR, or Agility, or ....

It's one thing to selectively breed FOR livers and blues to sell "rare" colors, but if they happen to crop up from time to time with no other associated health problems, then I wouldn't condemn the breeding, or the dogs that produced them.

But now that I think of it... what's the difference between breeding selectively for liver/blue pigment as opposed to all black?  The ads have a fair number of black dogs, and even all black litters being promoted, and no one raises a stink about that.  Oh yes, because black is an "accepted" color.  Hmmm.  Fine line there....

My biggest problem (besides the fact that they are not acceptable according to the standard AND I think they are ugly) is that those who breed for these novelty colors only care about the color.   It seems THEIR standard is WILL this dog pass on the color and thereby represent my "golden goose"?

So what then is the virtue of breeding for all black?  The only difference is that years ago someone decided that was an "acceptable" color.  It might very well have been opposite, if Max had decided that livers and blues were OK, and the all black coat was not. 

I find it interesting on what subtle differences we dictate our dogma (no pun intended), and how righteously we cling to those points now.  Maybe Max got bit on the toe by a liver dog, and a blue dug up his flower garden, and he never liked them since.  

because black is an accepted, normal color that comes from normal recessive black color gene.  Black is one of the standard colors of the GSD breed - Sable, black/brown, black.  Blue, liver, white are faults and not accepted.  That's why.

molly

I also have Labrador Retrievers, and it is true that a chocolate lab 
is solid chocolate or should I say brown from head to toenails, they
do not have any black on them, the labs are pretty neat when it comes 
to colors, they are just solid black,brown or yellow, although some lady
down the street had a chocolate lab that had markings like a rottweiler,
she said it was a purebred with papers, and some other people I know,
that got their black lab from a puppy mill in Iowa, said some of it's littermates
had brindle markings, I saw her dogs pedigree and it was grossly inbred
with ordinary dogs, you can sure get some really funky colors sometimes I guess! 

Hopefully the breeder who is partial to blacks is breeding dogs that meet the standard in all areas and the black coloring is to them, the icing on the cake - not the whole goal.  Also, they have a way huge established gene pool made up of excellent dogs to pull the color from.