A Very Close Call for Agitator - Page 2

Gard is correct and I wouldnt let that guy  near any of my dogs , trained or untrained......that is something people need to learn first off the bat' :

When you decide to start training your pup or young dog....do not just let any Tom ,Dick or Harry     agitate your dog with a tug, or a puppy sleever or a sleeve unless they are affliatee with a club and a trainer , well known for their work.....even in some clubs , the agitators are not what an experienced dog would let work with your dog....that is something , you as a handler have to learn.......

and you dont learn it over night.

My understanding is that Neither of these dogs had experience on a Sleeve.  In the 2nd video, that is the dogs 1st time ever on a sleeve or a bite.  Ive seen nice mature DDRs not do anything close to that on experience with a sleeve & agitation.

You call that Nervy?  Youre insane..Are we even watching the same video?   The dog was restrained in the 1st video and damn near DID Hurt the guy, there was no bluff. He missed & was restrained & the agitator backed off & was taken down. If you have a more serious inexperienced dog, Id love to see it.

They are not Sport dogs but Guardian Protecitondogs, and yes more suitable for Protection or permieter work.  I doubt there is much Prey in them, generally not in the Livestock dogs as a rule..

Thanks for the comments, Im just getting my feet wet as a helper.

I'll say one more time these dogs/handler/decoy are not sport, so any reference to evaluating them from a sport training perspective is apples and oranges. As for Gard's scenario, why don't you take those objects on his turf and see the response you get. If he is a guardian dog of an area his job is in the area not where you want him to be, and the test of his quality is how well he does in what the OWNER  whats him to do. If you think that dog won't bite or will be run off with rocks in a bottle then you and I read dogs differently!  And that is Okay!

Jeff... repeat. That dog has never had bite or Sleeve training.    Go out & engage?  Its a livestock guardian, Not a Malinois or GSD.   Probably a suitable PP dog though the coat  & size are a bit much.

Caucasians are a perimiter type dog and do their job better than anything else.   Darwinism..Only the strong survive, been that way for hundreds of years.  Wolves, Dogs, Leopards, Bandits-these dogs are For Real.

If you think you can run one off  a Caucasian with a clatter stick or a bottle, I can give you the address of one with a little more training.   You can wear a a hidden sleeve if you wish and lets see how you fare, we can tape your demise...

I only posted the vid to critique the decoys work not to have bloviating about Running off,  macho BS. The vid was simply a test on a green dog with No bitework.

Have any of you ever had personal experience with a Caucasian Ovcharka?  They can be very serious dogs if they have a job to do.  They are not a sport dog at all.  They do not have the prey drive of a Malinois, that is for sure.  They are very stable dogs usually with great nerve.  There are really two types of the breed.  They are more suited to livestock, property, or personal protection. I have seen a few that had adequate drive and you probably could do sport at a club level.  They are very athletic for their size.  Males are sometimes around 150 lbs and females up to 135 lbs.  I have seen them jump 6-9 ft straight up in the air.  They are suprisingly quick too.  Around the family and friends they are a very lovable dog, but a stranger should definitely beware.  ohh, and they shed like hell.  You think a gsd is bad?

Re. the foot placement - while I'm not sure I would say it was that bad re. width of stance (too wide restricts mobility, too narrow balance) the real issue I saw was wearing turf cleats on a hardened surface while working a stronf, civil dog...

-Calvin

Thanks Calvin.,

I just wondered more about his base. With a strong 150# dog, not sure how easy it is to keep a real good base...

I know others have worked Bandogs, Neos etc and was just curios.

As Don mentioned, they are neat dogs, but lots of hair.   The Russian Military  has used & uses them for certain operations & for guarding.   They are extremely  territorial and dont just chase off a threat, they kill it.   Be it wolves or bandits. Waiting for you to suit up, GARD, with your intimidating  clatter stick & bottle.