What do you think? - Page 2

Sorry folks, wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole.. my temperament is not suited to a dog like that... never want to spend my life with my dog wondering when he might go off ...... a dog can do a lot of damage and I'm just not interested..

I know people who would enjoy  the challenge.. been there, done that.. not interested

Your right, I didnt mean he made a mistake.  I meant maybe he has a fault.  And yes I would put the blame on the trainer.

Maybe he made the mistake by not knowing the dog better.  Or maybe its his technique.   I have seen dogs that were just to fast to go off.  It was always a humans fault.  And some dogs really are to aggressive, maybe not as trainable as a German Shepherd should be.

If one of my dogs bites without permission, or for the wrong reason, or because they decided just to bite,  they are put down.

I dont have any use for an indiscriminate biter.

I think you need to find out what caused the dog to become handler aggressive.  They said the dog only reacted this way when receiving a correction.  This type of breeding would be way too much for me to handle.  I have a show line male that will become handler aggressive if he even thinks he is being corrected.  This is the only animal that has ever bitten me.  However, I know why the dog is this way.  It can be a little like living with a time bomb.  But most of the time he is a wonderful, loving dog.  As I have a lot of arthritis I choose not to fight with the dog but rather try to get him to trust again.  I  do not think he will ever  completely trust anyone again.  If you want to send me a email I have a suggestion  on how you might find out  what the dog has been through - jgrimes2@new.rr.com.  If I put it on this board  I am sure to be labeled a nut case.

Judy

Judy

PM me!  I am half nut on my mother's side.

Melanie

I had a female try to do the same thing while tracking.  I should have never taken the dog out and had too little patience.  I never had another incident.

Judy,

I would never consider you a nutcase...:]

You couldnt be any worst than me, or many others who have voiced opinions on the message board.

Please share.

Brent.

Don,

  I tried to PM you but I don't think it worked, so I will post it here. 

  He is a good looking dog and I like his pedigree.  Personally, I like a dog that can be a little "nasty". I gather that you are an experienced handler from your previous posts, but,  of course, that may not be so.  

  He is a realitively young dog, if he has good scores and no huge problems that need to be fixed I would expect the price to be 7K plus.

  As far as handler aggression, if you are fair to the dog he will be fair to you.  Of course you must be ready to win a fight if the dog decides to be an ass!   

Don't jump the gun folks this IS a very nice dog.  In fact I know someone who may have already bought him as we had been discussing this particular dog the other day and he mentioned to me that he was seriously considering buying him.  He has spoken to the kennel and what was explained to me was that if you are fair to the dog he will be fair to you.  He is not for everyone only experienced handlers and that is not meaning to say he is a man eater and not approachable but just needs a handler that is experienced with a harder type of dog.  The person who inquired about him is definately experienced with this type of dog as he had a patrol dog that was very handler hard, however he himself never had a problem with him.  I myself just love this particular dog but could never own one like this as I have children and wouldn't know what to do with him. lol  But for the right person he's actually a very nice dog.

The Salztalblick line is known as a hard West workingline, by not having name posted could not see pedigree. But also would not surprise me if Crok is not in the pedigree somewhere. Jago L indenhalle also had a brother Jalk that could not get his Sch 3 because of his hardness and he was in Belgium working with top of the line trainers but there are somedogs that are like that. I remember Greppo Leimperheide Moor, this was a dog that 95% of the dog trainers in the country couldn't handle and that includes police trainers. My point is if you look at all of these dogs pedigrees I think you will see some points of convergence. Dogs like this are usually the results of breeding for too much of something and not maintaining a balance.

Just like any behavior there are reasons behind it. There is a big difference between handler aggression on a weak nerved dog than one from a serious dominant one. There are dogs that have had something done where they lose trust and turn to aggression. Generally I would consider this a weakness but not always. Some dogs are just a little nutty in the head.

I knew a GSD once that had been through 3 police K9 handlers. Chewed one up really bad. Also had something like 6 or 7 live street bites. Where they had the problem was he possesive over toys. If they tried to take his toy, he bit them. He would also bite someone on correction. He was a very cocky dog but at the same time showed some nerve in the bitework. This was displayed in what some call "forward flight". I also think the dog was a little nutty in the head. So with this dog I think it was a little bit of everything. I think it could have been toned down with better triaining. Anyway, the guy offered me the dog. I had a roommate with an 8 year old daughter so I said I will have to think about it then he was given to someone else who was doing Ok with him from what I understand but was looking for sport competition and decided the dog was too old (I think he was 6 or 7) and had too many issues. Next thing I know, the dog was put down. I would have giv en him a chance I I knew he would have been put to sleep. If my roomate didn't have the kid, I would have taken him in a heartbeat. I wish I would have been able to take him. I really liked him, he was the kind of dog you would want in your car if you worked in a major metropolin city.

I don't know why I just told that story. This just made me think about that dog.

That dog would probably do wonders with the right handler.  Fairness to the dog can go a long way, we've seen it happen from both angles.  A nice honest ad also.