Made in USA ??? - Page 2

Your questions are your answers:

ie:  What is a pair of dogs brought over from Germany and bred in the U.S.?

They are a pair of dogs brought over from Germany and bred in the U.S.

To answer your more specific question as to how they are designated at shows, they are classified as to where they are born.  No other info is considered.

Herpes existed in the begining but that doesnt mean everyone should strive to get it . Types are all off shoots from the standard, the breed standard you either breed to it or you don,t . Every one can have there preferences I prefer a smaller compact shepherd but still in the breeding standard set forth. I don,t believe the show line dog with long backs and tucked rear hock can run all day with a flock or move quickly to aprehend so i won,t breed to that ideal. But there are those that feel that is the type they want to see to all those who breed they should ask this of them selfs

1 Am I improving the breed by this breeding?

2 Am I moving away from the standard with this breeding?

3 For nothing more then just the sake of money do i need to create this litter.

4 Have i done every thing in my abality to assure this is a good breeding ( hips,temoerment,drives,ect...)   

5 Do i have a plan of where this breding is taking me.

If we all Breed with the best of the breed in mind we are all doing right by the breed.

I consider Pfeffer von Bern... an American-type GSD...  He won sieger and defeated the sable dog Odin Bussecker Schloss (even if they were half brothers...) And He won this  "out of U.S. pressure..."  in a country that was just devastated by WW2 and trying to get back on their feet by selling their dogs... not knowing the dogs are multiplying and changing to a direction that does not heed authority from their motherland... I'm in too deep this time... Any American owner who thinks their dog-type as the better one (in topline or in movement) should be considered an American-type GSD...

Easy Answer

In America we need AKC papers to show our American dogs.  If a dog/litter/puppy needs a "Foreign Registration" application in order to get AKC papers .... it is a foreign dog.

If the mother & father reside in the US and were BRED here - the dog is AMERICAN BRED.  If the dog was bred in Germany they are foreign bred ...

AKC has clearly said what  American Bred is and what foreign bred is & requires.  Why would WDA not follow this?  Why award a second prize to another dog bred in Germany?

the Ol'Line Rebel ---There is American-BRED and there is American BLOODLINES

so...would it be correct for me to say boss is american bred with german lines? is that the right way to put it?

i usually just call him a 'german', german shepherd.....this is correct right?...because the 'german' is refering to his lines, not where he was bred?

So what came first the chicken or the egg?

IluvmyGSD:  I also tell people that my dogs are "German" German Shepherds.  Born in W. Germany and living in the U.S. We are saying the same thing but I would think that my use is more correct than yours.  Are they not all from German lines?  The difference being how long back their ancestors came from Germany.

do right-- i've called him that because thats what i was told to call him...- when he was sent to me the breeders had said he was a 'german' german shepherd- not to breed him with an american german shepherd.....that was the first i had ever heard that there was a difference-im still trying to figure out what that is...as soon as i think i've got it figured out, another thread like this comes up and i all confused again..lol...

mainly i also say it just because its the the only way to explain to people why he looks different then the other GSD's they normally see around here.....i had thought thats how i was suppose to say it...i just tell them his 'line'  is german and that his 'look/ color" is more common there than here...remember my thread about sable gsd's?...i was basiclly trying to figure this same thing out....

so i guess the question is--'how would you 'title' a dog?

german working lines GSD,then put a little sticker on his belly that says "made in america"? lol....kinda like the the little american flags that have the little sticker on the handle that says 'made in china'...the falg represents america, but was made somwhere else.... does a GSD stop representing germany and now represents america when they are shipped here?

i guess im confused cause i've always  thought the same thing...don't they all orginate from germany? isn't that why the name is GERMAN shepherd dog? when does that change? it all makes it sound like two different breeds...like eventually we would need to call the dogs here  AMERICAN shepherd dog...where does the split come in?

all the different 'names' like- workingline/ showlines, -DDR, czech, WG, EG, euro, etc....then it get gets more complicated like on here- German Shepherd Dog Breed Types--they are calling some American AKC type...my dog was bred in a america and is AKC registered, but he looks nothing like that...wich one of these 'types' would you call my dog? what part does coat and color play in it? is a certian coat/ color more common in one 'GSD type' than in another? it seems like all showlines are B&T or B&R , are any showlines sable?  does color or coat say anything about the dog or where its from?

Bob McKown:

You need to add #6 to your list:

6.  Do I have enough good homes lined up for most or all of the puppies that could be expected from this litter?  Too many people breed puppies thinking "if I breed them, the buyers will come.....", and in many cases they don't come, or they go to the wrong homes.  Lots and lots of GSDs in rescues & shelters all over the country. 

Cheers,

Dash2