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My male Hardy was a2, and OFA good.  I prefer to look at xrays if available.  I've even seen a3's go ofa fair and good.   It's all subjective apparently.

YES I did !!!

Yes I do since there are other dogs in the pedigree to help support better hips

But like I also said I breed for the balance of the dogs not just drives or hips but the over all dog.

And you are ?

If you want to look farther into the pedigree the bitchs name is cobra vom kirchberghof in this site. I am aware of the nned to better the breed or atleast not lessen it in breedings so it is a concern to me my first breeding was with a female with ofa good hips she is a asko daughter my male is axel vom matschenka. there is a lot of work to do with this female before breeding but with the purchase breeding is in the equasion. 

In defense of EK . I have a 3 on 3 Grim. You just need to watch what is crossed on Grim and look at the results. Again research what the results are.

Not attacking her. Just making a point. A lot of people have done line breeding on Grim some with good and some with not so good outcome. I just have a problem with someone who still is learning themselves to give some one else advice on the pros and cons on a2 hips which are really not that bad and definitely are not considered OFA mild/mod. And yes ,most dogs in Germany are a-stamped at around 12 month old. That is done because they start  training them at 12 month old.  IMO a smarter and better system than OFA.

I did a study on this same question months back and put the same question on here.....and Jennie and several others in reference to    Jeck  came back to tell me that in Germany his hips are not good.....so i looked at all my pedigrees and pulled every known stud and podium dog here in USA and the  a fast normal hips  are everywhere....and long before I became knowledgeable to a better way , I still get two different answers out of 100 different breeders, judges and those in the know....so   just research records and progheny of the one male and the one female  you are planning to breed....and then do what you think is right....find all names of littermates and previous littermates and check all paperwork and see if what is produced is what you are trying to do...'Some breed for a fighting street dog only  dont care what he will produce...just want a trainable police dog or sport contender only...others want a kk1 dog for good all over balanced progheny with intellegence and looks and health....

This question brings as many answers as you can possible drum up....each may be correct ,,does it fit you...Id rexray both dogs at 3 years old and see if some changing is occurring but you can not predict what any dog will produce....Its in the hands of someone bigger than you or I...

AMEN  nicely put Yellow rose

Ditto to your Amen.

I was under the understanding that (a) fast normal would probably likely come back OFA fair or good???  I just bought a bitch with a fast normal hips and I didn't let it stop me from buying her because she's an excellent dog, ZVVI, KK2, proven producer and has just a very sweet personality.  If bred right I think her hip rating will not be an issue.  Oviously you'd like to stack the deck in your favor by going with a stronger stud dog that will bring better hips....if the hip rating is your only reservation in purchasing her I'd say buy her.

Did you happen to find out what her pups were coming out in hip ratings , if she has had litters before you got her....of course the male is 1/2 of her equation.......there is a confusion between germany sv and ofa about the a2 or some fast normals a, and it is best to rexray to be sure.....

nothing is for sure   they can be both excellent and have a 1/2 of a litter of bad hips that dont pass ofa... but dont push the dice in the other way    try to breed the known better hips///

it is so heartbreaking to have your pocket book and your heartstrings torn over a pup that shows the HD at early age of 9-13 mos old or at 24 mos when the vet reveals to you that the dog you have so yearned to be everything you wanted in a dog, has HD , and has it bad......some to never show it for many years,,,some start and have to be euthanized.....

Gsd is not the only breed affected either, but to a much greated percentage  because at this time in our lives, t he german shepherd seems to be the biggest bred of most of the breeds.....Every large city in US has mega amounts of gsd adds every month.....