"I can title your dog" - Page 2

Let's presume a person "can title your dog".

Let's assume you're dealing with Dean Calderon, Debbie Zappia, Wallace Payne, Gary Hanrahan, Ivan, Gene England, you pick.

What would you pay for your dog to get titled?

What would you pay for SchH 1, 2 or 3? If your dog has what it takes, let's assume one of the above trainers gets your dog to "pass" a trial.  What have people paid?  Curious.  Not a question as to whether it's the best thing, not an argument about HOT or not, but...what do people pay for a title? If you know people who have, what have they paid?

Second, what does a top trainer command for having your dog to correct issues on a weekly / monthly basis?

If Wallace, Ivan, Debbie or one of the top people had your dog, what would it run to have them have it for a week? A month?

Cheers...

I have had an offer from someone near the caliber of those you mentioned (that is my understanding of this trainers reputation anyway), to take one of my dogs to Schutzhund I for six thousand dollars, but with the stipulation and understanding that the dog may require additional time and subsequently, additional monies.  To be fair, the practicle "guarantee" of a title was based on this:  "I can take almost any dog to a title but some can take a very long time, and time is money."

I have no problem with this particular trainer telling me this and I agree with it.  I believe with enough time and effort, just about any GSD can be titled, if you are persistent and do it right.

I also know of people in W. Germany that offer to title your dog to Sch I, for about 4,500 dollars American, but they did not give any guarantee, but do state that they have a great sucess rate.

I am one of those that is not interested in having a titled dog for any purposes other than breeding.  I could care less about dog sports and I know that a titled dog is a low bet as far as personal protection probabilities, but titles are almost a necessity to have, if you want to be accepted as a legimitate breeder, on almost any scale.  I can train a dog for personal protection and I am sure that I could train a dog for "the sports" if I had the desire, but I don't.  Training is all about persistence, patience and knowledge, not so much about the dogs' make-up.  Some catch on quickly and some are like me  and have to be brought along slowly, with a lot of repetition and reward, to get me to do what you want.

Along this subject, I have always wondered if it is "acceptable" to breed a GSD that excels in other areas, such as, let's say that I have two GSD's that have won major dog/human dancing contests, obedience contests, show contests (like Crufts), agility contests, or herding contests (this is the interesting one)?

You'll have to excuse me for asking this question but I'm curious about something....if a trainer wanted $4500 or $6000 to title a dog just to a SCH I wouldn't it make more sense to just go buy one already titled??  The only way I would pay someone that kind of money to title my dog is a. they evaluated the dog and told me the dog had what it took to make the investment and b. that this dog was a special pup perhaps from one of my own litters and I wanted to continue his bloodline by proving he was breed worthy.   

Well, I did not pay anyone to title any of my dogs, but I was curious as to what it would cost.  The reason someone would pay to have their dog/s titled is the same reason that they would pay to send their own spouse to school, instead of just getting an already educated (titled) spouse (but, then again, some for sure, look for the spouse that is already titled , such as a doctor or whatever).  They are attached to a certain dog/s.  Other threads have discussed all of this before.  I might add a titled dog to my "pack" but I would not give up one of my pack because he or she failed to get titled.  But,.......don't want to go there again.

In the little research I have done I found a ScH 1 for 3500..................one was in Germany and one was here...........A BH was 800-1200.................Why is a BH not considered a title?  .............not to start anything...........just a simple question................in my way of thinking, I would like my boy trained and " titled"  to a BH.............then I could do AKC things with him..............it's the primary training I need help with.  ..................................

BH is a temperment test which you are required to pass in order to trial for a title.  I think BH translates loosely to "Traffic Safety".

Oh OK thanks.  By the way what is the LGA?  I have always wondered....................

I believe the LGA competitions are the German regionals, but I hope some of our more knowledgeable and/or German friends will  elaborate and/or correct me.

One the USA judges told me that in Germany a SchH 1 title would cost as little as $1500, which sounds really cheap.  Makes me question why I even bother with training.  LOL. 

I have a friend who is sending a female to Germany to get a SchH 1, but it's going to cost $3200.  Now that's a steeper price.

Nothing really sinister about the process.  The scorebook should record who the handler was at the trial.  For those who have more money than time... to each his own!

Just curious, when you send your dog off to get titled, does it come with "satisfaction guaranteed or your money back"?

I recall a situation when a dog was sent overseas to get titled, came back, trialed under a judge in the US, and failed.  After the trial was over and everyone else was gone, the judge said, "That dog couldn't get XX points in obedience if you shoved a cattle prod up its ***."

Point differential between purchased score and US score in the same phase... > 30 points!  This did not appear to be the fault of the handler at all.

I recall another situation at my old club where someone showed up to put a little polish on their performance with a dog bought and titled in Mecca, er I mean Germany, to a SchH1 so that she could breed her.  She came as a visitor several times and all the gray beards in the club agreed that she would pass if trialed again in the US, but it was clear her training was "rushed". 

To the handler's credit, she worked hard, and when she did go to trial got good scores, but she had to put in a lot of work to get a reliable performance. 

So do any of the "Titles R Us" services, whether here or abroad, offer some sort of refund if the dog's performance is unsatisfactory?

Yvette