What do yu all think about this muzzle work? - Page 2

Abhay  what are you muzzle fight for?  is it to say "Hey watch my dog do this" or are you actually training a service dog? HUGE difference.

I think it is more a head game than actual physical techinique for the dogs. I can see the dog dominating the decoy on the ground and feeling stronger about himslef. Pump him up make him feel like the king of the world and also dispel some dogs inability to engage a human. Then when the muzzle is off and he can actually engage the man fully he will be frustrated like someone else said and put the hurting to him.

an interesting discussion of muzzle work:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/111814.html#112266

Muzzle work is done to bring the prey drive to a higher level in the bite work. It is going to piss the dog off that he can not get a bite and boost him to try even harder.

It will also make the dog drive into the decoy harder in the future. It also will build the fight drive the dog has when the muzzle is off and bite work begins again.

I think decoy did good job he was letting the dog WIN!! how is the dog to win with a muzzle, the decoys needs to fall to keep the drive going and building dogs confidence. 

Muzzle wotk is not for them people that do not know what they are doing.  

I agree TS342003 the dog should win. But to many times it is not Real LIFE and when a service dog goes out on the street it needs to be preped for all situations.

Understood EK but this is only one small part of training the whole dog. No one does just muzzle work and throws the dog out on the street.

Basically, I fear that training with a muzzle could create bad habits for the dog. Because he can't bite, the dog tries to use his head to butt the helper. This can cause the dog to look weak when he is guarding and expecting a re-attack because the dog may be backing away from the helper in order to have sufficient momentum to fly into the helper and bash him.

My understanding of using the muzzle is to teach the dog to fight with his body too.  It is so that when he gets a bite on  a suspect and there is major body contact the dog does not freak out.  Think about it like this. In training we "catch" the dog.  We let his momentum swing and land him as safely as possible.  What generally happens when a dog has severe contact.  They dont bite, not all, but some dont.  Or when the dog does a takedown from behind and they roll on the ground over the top of each other.  If the dog is not used to this it may freak out.  If a dog will back up with a muzzle it will more than likely back up with out one. 

Shawn

4 pack in a prefect world no many months - years of training is to happen before they are put on the street. But we live in the here and now ( dumb and dumber world) and they get only weeks of training sad but true.

There is such a high demand for service dogs that they can not keep up.

That is the fluffiest muzzle work I have ever seen, the dog has no aggression to speak of, and outs like he doesn't want to be there to begin with.

Did no one notice that the helper wasn't wearing any protective gear ?? do you think maybe that might be a part of this type of training ??