Anyone see this at the BSP? - Page 2

JustDontGetIt : I think the comment was from the spectators on the video, not on this board (I think ).  I too felt horrible for the handler and the dog or even the helper, whoever was beeing booed!    That is no way to treat fellow sportsman.  But that's just my opinion.

I posted this wondering if there was anyone there who saw this, and if the dog did get "slapped in the nose" or stepped on, or if there was any circumstance that the SHORT video does not show. 

no slap on the nose - the helper would not have touched the dog.  Stick hits are given when the dog is ON the sleeve and being driven.  This dog never bit the sleeve, the stick was used as a threat to give him a chance to meet the threat (with a bite) and when he didn't, it is the helper's job to continue the threat and demonstrate that the dog is not suitable.  Especially at this level, the helper will not "give" the dog the grip, he pursues the dog and the dog must meet the threat.  This dog did not - he was therefore chased by the helper continuing the threat.  Too bad but it happens - the protection is not fun and games, it tests the nerve and strength/courage of the dog - this dog failed the test and miserably.

molly

I have two points.

1. I have heard it said many times that a dog with weak bites and bad nerves can be trained to a point but if really pressured and tested the weak spots will come out.  Maybe not the case here.Just a thought.

2. So what if the dog made it through selections.  It has already been shown that the LG can send any dog they want to.  If  a first place dog did not make it then how do we know this dog made it with a high placing.  Or maybe the selection was not as difficult as the BSP was.  Doesn't each LG get to set their own slection requirments.

Im not trying to take anything away from the dog just throw out a couple fo other things to think about.

His owner probably shaved "4 sale" in his side the minute he got back to the car.

Very sad, but it does happen.

SS

The reaction of the audience/spectators was not against the dog but against the helper, it was already shown how the dog was,he did go on, he should had stopped earlier .  Some dogs have their top level at the LGA and this is just too much .   he was not the only one who got off.... also a female from Schmiedegarten  its from all years

122  dogs on this event , 2 failed , so what?

for some it would be better to be present at such a event and have  a bit knowledge of the matter that would also  be nice and than give a critique

why boo the helper then, why not boo the judge.  The helper is to continue the pressure until the judge directs him to stop.  The helper doesn't make that choice, the judge does.

"The dog might have been a good dog, that did very well on different occasions and all of his trainingsessions. He made it through the selections, didn't he?

Now he missed the sleeve indeed, and missed his second bite, then was only avoiding, as MFV pointed out, to get slapped in the nose, and  got confused in the action. He might never have experienced this before.

Anyway. The reaction of the public was disgusting. If a dog doesn't do well, let it be. No need to boo either dog or handler. True sportsmanship is spelled differently! I'm sorry for the handler. The embarassment must have been huge enough, the booing was inappropriate. I bet the guys and galls that have never performed booed the loudest."

Can we make some more excuses for the dog? Slapped in the nose, stepped on... if it was my dog he better have come in harder for it! It is rather sad to see but this is what the trial is about. This dog was cut out from the rest, he got ran and it's refreshing to see the "helper" doing his job, not coming up soft on the dog. The dog was at the BSP's for C sakes he better have experienced more than a slap on the nose or his foot stepped on by the decoy, at this point in time

I didn't find the crowds reaction strage or rude. Yes I'm sure the handler was embarassed but he is a grown man. Do we have to swaddle and coddle? I would expect gasps and boos from the crowd and even what the hell was that? From friends and strangers after leaving the field.

Shit happens but don't expect the world to turn a blind eye from it or baby you on. Honestly I didn't hear much booing, just a couple people and they were right by the camera. The majority praised the helper, rightfully so.

I didn't see any wrong doings or injury to the dog. He just didn't take the bite, then failed to engage and even ran at one point. It's the name of the game folks. Some dogs can't hack it, I wouldn't expect them to or want the lesser dogs carried through. I wouldn't want that nerve in my breeding program and that is exactly why these trials are held. People tend to forget about that and focus on the bravado and $ involved. It's not about...oh that poor handler, it's about the dogs and who we want to bred to in the future.

I could be wrong but in 2 different spots in the video  it looks like this dog  leg is injured.It is sad to see ANY dog and handler  have to go through this.I hope this guy does'nt beat on the poor dog for WHATEVER it was that happened.Remember,we are NOT there to see it from different angles and im not making excuses for the dog either.

I didn't see the dog's leg get injured.  I didn't see the dog commit to the bite.  I didn't see a dog with enough courage to withstand stick hits. 

What I did see is a helper doing his job.  He was testing the dog, which should have already been done at LGA level.  This dog should have never passed and been allowed to compete at this level.  Maybe it is a part of the training, or maybe just the dogs true colors shining through.  Whichever it may be, the dog did not belong in this venue. 

I don't feel sorry for the handler.  Anyone that is a competetor at this level knows what it takes to succeed.  Someone with experience should have already washed that dog out or given it the proper training.  Plain and simple.

Great post Don. You said what my distracted brain couldn't. LOL