Decoying - Page 2

What is being descibed for the young dogs we call tug work. It is done with the large sausage tug for the development and foundation of many exercises. It teaches agressive barking where the pup starts the movement. Out, hold and pulling are all taught here. The dogs also will learn to change drives by unloading and reloading on command. It teaches them all the skills they will need before real proctection is started. It is similair to a gym for a boxer.

I think we all agree on the benefits and necessity of rag & tug work with puppies.  I thought the op was talking about dogs (adults) but I could be wrong.............sure as HELL wouldn't be the first time!

Reason I asked is I had a ex marine tell me it was ok to let the dog bite me!!! EXCUSE ME ?????? That does not make sense in my eyes I am master . I do not want to confuse my role with my dogs personally.

Tug work with puppies  YES  it is a game.

Bite toy for my guys NO THANK YOU  I leave that for the decoyer.

Yes Sueincc I was asking about adult dogs

I am also seeing more and more websites with owners decoying thier own dogs ! I guess I view it differently

I do bitework with my year old, though I NEVER tolerate her biting me. EK, I have the same feeling you do, I AM MOM, YOU BITE MOM, SHE'S GONNA BITE YOU BACK. It only took once. She bite me in the calf when she was about 6 months, I whirled around and nipped her ear. She's never bitten me again. She playfully nibbles on my ear, or "holds my hand" but she doesn't FULLY BITE. As we speak, I've got both girls back here, Naya and Danica, as of yet, I am still working with Danica. She has slightly higher drives than Naya, but unlike Naya, Danica has NOT been trained to NOT BITE MOM.

EK, I got your message, it's been busy as hell around here, I'll try to shoot you an email tonight, okay?

Quote:  It teaches agressive barking where the pup starts the movement.

NOT SLAMMING. This is frustration barking at best. You are frustrating the pup by not keeping the game going. This sort of misunderstanding is very common as words like aggressive are used to describe something that is not aggression.

There is so much that can go wrong with doing your own work.......and I mean work, not just flipping a tug around a bit on a line with the pup free. That is what I am trying to say more than all the other stuff.

Doesn't quite come across the same when I am typing.

my 5mth old hates to bite me....he has a major toy drive...luvs stuffed animals...but if he acidently bites me while going after a toy, and i say owe! he will stop playing and wanna lick the boo-boo..and he will get a shamed look on his face.and for a little while after he will be very gentle in getting the toy from me-..but thats only with me...anyone else he will climb all over and fight like crazy to get a toy, he doesnt care much if he acidently bites them...he's just happy he won the toy..

hmmm...is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Jeff. It is more about teaching a pup to load to the max. It then teaches the pup to control itself at this level. If done correctly the advantages are the control the dog learns that crosses over to all parts of the training. Gunther Deigel was the person who first brought it to our attention a long while ago.

OK sure, but can you see that "aggressive" is misleading??  I do not want a pup in defese, or aggressive, as they are too immature to deal with it properly, and there just isn't a reason to do so. Too easy to mess up.

Quote: The dogs also will learn to change drives by unloading and reloading on command.

Allright, this is some fancy wordwork for what??? What confuses me, is a dog learning to change drives on command????? Is this while he is unloading stress/frustration??? Then you want him to "reload" stress/frustration???

I guess you need to put it in terminology that we all understand.  : )

Quote: It then teaches the pup to control itself at this level.

Help me out again. Pup on a tie out is going to learn to control _________ at this level. Please fill in the blank.

Trying to figure out how a pup on a tie out learning to bark at a tug to get it to move is controling something. Barking is like a kettle letting off steam, so you are teaching the dog to bark easy enough but then..............and this is where I am getting lost in the words.

You teach the dog/pup that he controls the game. He initiates action by barking. Yes, at first it is out of frustration, but eventually, if done properly, he will become aggressive/demanding. This is done in an environment which causes the pup to clearly channel. He gets a bite when he demands, as long as he remains in control. Most people start this action way too early and the dog becomes a prey monster and never learns to channel into defense.

Most people start this action way too early and the dog becomes a prey monster and never learns to channel into defense ??????

who wants a defensive dog ????

or am I mis reading what you've tried to say ??  my apologies if I have.

defensive dog ='s dog with little or NO confidence.   I have been schooled that this NOT a desired type of dog that should be promoted,bred,worked without caution and great experience if worked at all.

Maybe I have missed something or been schooled wrong ??