Studs who produce proven and titled top sport progeny - Page 2

When considering a dog you must take all in to consideration but nothing wrong with A=fast Normal hips and when you say fair that is not how the rating goes with this conversion ...you would get a good with A fast normal with OFA standards...if you look at all the famous dogs see how many A fast Normal dogs you come up with...you take a chance with any breeding for hips even two perfect dogs for sure it is a problem with shepherds, but I check the temperament, drives and hips make full assessment of anything breed. Some dog with a A fast Normal throw better than a dog with A stamp it depends on the dogs in the entire pedigree as well. not sure what the answer to hips is ...a complex thing for sure for breeders and owners but the fact that Eick has A fast normal hips would not stop me from breeding to him...now if he did not produce and had issues besides this then this would be another story entirely...breeding is hard thing all things must take in to account...Marlene

Falk is a nice dog, but the females he produces are very, very small. I did not say they are not good, just small in stature barely to the standard. I have seen 8 month old puppies bigger than some Falk daughters. But if they produce to the standard, that is all that matters. Just something to think about on Falk.

Eick is a super choice with all that proven offspring. I have also seen a super son from Eagle Eichenluft that I was totally impressed with, really nice as well. Eagle has a very nice foundation of Tiekerhook on his bottom line and it is a proven line of dogs. -Solid program.

There are a lot of good choices out there if you look hard enough for what you want to try and accomplish. It is just as important that you pair your bitch up with the right match of stud dog and close the gaps in what either dogs are lacking, even if they are lacking much at all.

I know of only one small Falk daughter, she is still within the standard and what that bitch brings to the table more than makes up for her size.  Take a look on this database and you will see his get are no smaller than average - male or female.

I have a Falk daughter (leasing her right now, don't own her) - she is actually on the larger size for a female - though medium bone she is a  good looking female, SG KKl-1 - tall and athleticly built.  In fact she was just bred to V-Eick vd Berger Hochberg.  Should be a really good match.  Her puppies when bred to a smaller sized male produced normal-sized pups as well, nothing petite.

molly

Wow, that sounds like a super litter on the way.

Falk daughter, eh?  Not listed on your web site.  Going to keep us in suspense???

check out the litter page -

Mystere and Molly    WHy is there so much conversation about Jeck v Noricum, being Hd 3  and that he is known to be    on another thread we are having the HD discussion  about     Fast normal not being good    usually fair....and Jeck was known to be the Hd out of Quantum.....I addressed this with Jantie and Blitzen ..as the Fast normal  is in every good stud and If Jeck is HD3  , where did she find that info                my german pedigree says    "a" zuerkannt       the data base say     noch Zugelassen      Earlier last month there was a thread about breeding

Fair" Hips in your breeding program    and that it was not the choice that would be best....Ill go back and reread  for that I dont get thrown something at me for makeing a wrong statement........

I have several excellent hipped girls and good and a fair or two and surprisingly , the excellent girl came out of a fair and fair pair......german lines ....and I Jeck in several of my girls and boys......

Jantie said Jeck is known for the HD3 which the question was about Quantum haveing any bad hips in his progheny?????

I know about the crap shoot...but most of you have been around all these proven studs and females known for good and bad hips and it helps to hear who does , I was just shocked about   Jeck v Noricum......That is why I set out to study who was fast normal  

I don't know anything about Jeck Noricum.  I would not breed to a NZ dog or own a NZ female for breeding.  All of my females are a-normal or OFA Good.  Eick is the second stud dog I have used in 13 years of breeding, with less than a-normal/OFA Good hips - however in the research I have done he is producing good hips AND that is the only thing not excellent about him IMO.   I thought he was a great match for two of my females and if the hip rating is the only thing on the "wish it could be better" list, then I'll take it.  I don't think there will be problems, but that is why all of my puppies have hip and health guarantees, there is always a chance even if you breed excellent X excellent. 

molly