Is AKC Killing The GSD - Page 2

I believe it's worthwhile to have dogs with working titles prior to breeding, and yes hips/elbows certified.  Anything to indicate it has something there worth passing along.  Too many breed because they can, some do have nice bloodlines but what if the individual dog doesn't have any of the traits itself?  Nice bloodlines doesn't make a dog breed worthy.  I've seen some very very well bred dogs that shouldn't be bred themselves.   And yes, I've seen some dogs with working titles that are marginal but at least they have somethign showing they made the effort and had enough in the to pass.

I think Blitzen is right. It is nothing more than a registry.  Without it we would be even worse.  At least the AKC makes you DNA your male if he is going to have 3+ breedings in a year.  Take it or leave it.  It is better than nothing.

The only way to cure bad breedings, is to educate people.  If they won't buy them, then they won't breed em'.  The biggest problem with our breed, is the fact that majority of the GSD owners have very little knowledge of the breed or it's standards.  They only know that they want a dog that looks like rin-tin-tin and costs around $300.  They are satisfied with that. 

Well, I think the AKC is working hard at recognizing the Shiloh Shepherd first.

Why do you say that, funk man? Just to stir up trouble? As a matter of fact, the latest news is that the ISSR is probably going to have its dogs removed from the rare breed registry, due to the conficlt with the non-ISSR breeders and a couple of other issues I can't be bothered going into..

Yeah, go ahead and rejoice if you feel so moved....

Re. the AKC: personally, I think it is up to each individual dog club to set its own standards for the breed. And due to the high value Americans place on individual freedom, I cannot see the club being able to agree on a set of requirements for dogs being allowed to breed. It just won't fly. Everyone oand his brother will be screaming: NAZIS!! NAZIIS!! at the top of thier lungs.

It would greatly benefit the breed to have such standards, but sorry folks, I cannot see it happening.

AMy Sue; THe members of any club Sch, will always try to encourage any one to buy s USA litter first and foremost.   That is one of the things that run new members who come into the club to ask for membership, right out the front door.. Even though, those litters  probably offer the best pups , in most ,cases, some not, that you can put your hands on. One , thing for sure, you get undivided attention , and won't get critisized for what dog you brought to train...Seen it over and over....

I don't like AKC but its better than nothing and recently DNA is a big help., especially with the stipulation of tatooing or chipping.

Jane Steffenhagen told me , that her employees tease her everyday, when the gate bell rings, that one of these days ,its gonna be a warrant or a supeona from the courts by AKC , for slander and harrassment, as she does not like them and gives them a really hard time and if it wasn't the selling in the USA of pups, a necessity, she would not be using them...

Yes Sunsilver, I posted that to stir up trouble.

Since coo-coo Tina and her followers started trouble by slaughtering the breed and making these nasty dogs with numerous problems and issues. I thought I would return the Shiloh favor.

Blitzen,   Forgive me for bringing up an old subject matter but I have just today read what you said about the long coated Shepherd. My Heart SANK! I was just about to purchase a pup from top  German Lines whose price I thought was decent. I was told it was a long coat but was not quite sure what that meant, until I ask the right questions and found out that I would not be able to register any pups with the SV!(from that Dog). My question. What are the pit falls of owning a long coat ? If I bred to a stock coat( I understand about the recessive gene) would I then be allowed to register any pups?or is it just a bad Idea to breed an LC? Is Germany using America as a dumping ground???..... This makes me very angry!

                                                 Looking forward to your response! I respect your opinion

I don't believe the AKC is killing the German Shepherd Dog because as far as I know, nobody is exporting these American shepherds overseas. Or at least not on a wide-scale basis. A lot of countries 'into' the GSD have not even seen the travesty that is the American GSD.

HC, my first GSD was a coat. He was purchased as a pet and was neutered. The only pitfall I found was the constant grooming. Blitz is a stockhair and he still sheds A LOT, but doesn't need nearly as much brushing as Dylan did. I liked him to look neat and tidy, so I also trimmed his ears and feet. If you're planning to keep your dog as a house dog, that is probably the only extra work that will be required. If you are planning to keep her outside, then it depends on the weather in your area. Long coats do not shed water well and if it rains they will get soaked to the skin and that long soft hair can freeze and form ice balls if the weather turns cold enough. Otherwise, I think a coat is just like a stock hair, only more attractive to me.

I guess you are looking for a dog to breed though. Too bad that breeder wasn't honest enough to tell you that a coat is not eligible for a breed survey. At first blush I'd say, if you said you wanted a dog for breeding and/or show, then they are not being honest with you if they are trying to sell you a longcoat. I guess  you just have to know the right questions to ask.  If you feel as if they have deceived you, then you should probably move on and look for another breeder.  I have no idea if you could breed a longhair to a stockhair and register the pups with the SV.  I hope someone else will anser that for you.

Although I loved my coat and think they are beautiful dogs, I myself would not breed a long coat only because it's not eligible for a breed survey and that would be important to  me. I am too lazy to title or breed survey, so I will never breed a litter of GSD's  anyway .

Good luck in finding your dream dog. If you want to contact me privately - blitzengsd@comcast.net I can put you in touch with a few who know some ethical breeders in Germany or you might find a special dog here in the US. I think there are some very nice ones being bred on this side of the ocean. I am assuming you live in the US?

The breed standards the AKC have produced are a joke. The standards change with the wind. Besides our beloved breed, look at what they have done to other breeds  (collies,  Irish setters, dobies etc.)

They really don't educate the public. If they did, Puppy Mills and pet stores would be selling less dogs.

As posted prior all they are interested in is making money.