Question for breeders - Page 2

D.H.,

I WAS NOT, REPEAT.......I WAS NOT, responding to your post.  I was responding to the original post made by Luvmidog who asked for opinions. Based on the info that Luvmidog provided in her "initial" post, and her solicited request for advice, I posted my opinion.  It is neither right nor wrong it is just how I do things.  God forbid disagreeing with you or anyone on this site.  I will try to refrain from making posts in the future as I have of late for this very reason.  I posted a link about dog fighting on another thread and IT spiraled into a race riot of words.  I will make a concerted effort in the future to keep my opinions and experiences to myself.   Godspeed!

Stephen

We offer as our replacement "guarantee".....and we state this as a (courtesy replacement)...because there are NO absolute guarantees against HD in our breed,....a puppy of " equal" quality/prospect at our discretion.  We offer the same "guarantee" to all our puppy buyers.

When there is an available litter,..I contact the buyers and let them know.  I explain what puppies are available, and it then becomes the buyer's choice to either take a puppy from that particular litter or wait for a future breeding.  To date, we have not had a problem with these terms.

Stephen, it seems only you are allowed an opinion then? This is a discussion. You made an allegation that I did not see justified. A statement made far too quickly and too often on this board. Breeding and decisions about breeding and placing dogs is not always just about money even if money is involved. I voiced how I feel about that. Feel free to disagree. Please do not throw my simply stating another point of view in the same pot as a thread I have not even bothered to read past the first link (at least I think you are referring to the guy that got indicted for dog fighting) and therefore have not participated in. Yes this board is going to pot. Been like this for a long time and many posts are very damaging to a lot of people, with unecessary debris and ruins left for people to clean up that never should have needed any cleaning up to begin with. The main reason this board is so 'popular' is because people need to check in regularly to make sure they are not being dragged through the mud. Yeahh! What a claim to fame.
Your opinion is valued. Don't stop posting. I thought your skin was a little thicker than that :o). Your personal scenario was based on different circumstances. It is great that you look after your puppy buyers the way you do. In your instance I may not have been happy being bumped and I am entitled to that opinion. But as it seems you worked it all out with your people so all is fine there. I merely stated that I would view this differently. Does not make it right, or wrong either.

D>H>   The breeder has a simple contract that states there are no guarantees after the pups leave the premises, and buyer is to take the pup within 48 hours to a vet to check for any life threatening illnesses...Explaining that things like diahrea , after leaving, and exposure by the buyer, to any other bacterial infections, which are listed, and that pup was free from up on leaving sellers premises, having had vet checks at the 8 week old period, and the dreaded HD is discussed with buyer as to the responsibility of the pups new buyer...

She just feels she should,   should,,,,,replace any pup up to a year, that becomes crippled by HD, or shows a bad exray, with not a chance to live a normal life,  At that young of an age because it is not a chance for even a good time with the dog they thought they were going to have for years to come....This is a very controversial subject, and I would appreciate not getting into a word throwing , name calling, or she or he should a,,,,,this is a reputable breeder, small, in a club in Dallas, with two titled, schutz. 1 kk1, a

D>H>   The breeder has a simple contract that states there are no guarantees after the pups leave the premises, and buyer is to take the pup within 48 hours to a vet to check for any life threatening illnesses...Explaining that things like diahrea , after leaving, and exposure by the buyer, to any other bacterial infections, which are listed, and that pup was free from up on leaving sellers premises, having had vet checks at the 8 week old period, and the dreaded HD is discussed with buyer as to the responsibility of the pups new buyer...

She just feels she should,   should,,,,,replace any pup up to a year, that becomes crippled by HD, or shows a bad exray, with not a chance to live a normal life,  At that young of an age because it is not a chance for even a good time with the dog they thought they were going to have for years to come....This is a very controversial subject, and I would appreciate not getting into a word throwing , name calling, or she or he should a,,,,,this is a reputable breeder, small, in a club in Dallas, with two titled, schutz. 1 kk1, and

D>H>   The breeder has a simple contract that states there are no guarantees after the pups leave the premises, and buyer is to take the pup within 48 hours to a vet to check for any life threatening illnesses...Explaining that things like diahrea , after leaving, and exposure by the buyer, to any other bacterial infections, which are listed, and that pup was free from up on leaving sellers premises, having had vet checks at the 8 week old period, and the dreaded HD is discussed with buyer as to the responsibility of the pups new buyer...

She just feels she should,   should,,,,,replace any pup up to a year, that becomes crippled by HD, or shows a bad exray, with not a chance to live a normal life,  At that young of an age because it is not a chance for even a good time with the dog they thought they were going to have for years to come....This is a very controversial subject, and I would appreciate not getting into a word throwing , name calling, or she or he should a,,,,,this is a reputable breeder, small, in a club in Dallas, with two titled, schutz. 1 kk1, and

wow  didnt mean to repeat connection...... little finger on a board so small, does funny things ....

one is Schutz 1 and has not gotten his kk1 , done, but are planning that....as I understand ,. so no need to throw stones....Its is a known fact in Dallas that some of the well known WSD champions and titled and kk1 dogs have the same chance to produce a bad hip pup as an excellent hip pup.....and this is not the issue....

Being in a club , the pups go fast, as people know both dogs and like what they see, and know the pros and cons of the match.....the lady that has the pup with HD was not in the circle of friends she sold the pups to....and I guess this lady sensed that maybe the Schutzhund people  has first dibs....welll, when you speak for and pay a deposit to assure you a pup, and anyone knows there are the first person paid, the second person paid and so on.....if you dont honor people and can prove who is on the list and keep things honorable ,you are in for a rocky road....I told her I would relay opinions. She is already doing what she thougth was right.., but was just curious how other breeders in other places, handled their replacement pup proceedure,  '

Breeder did email me today  , that the lady had appologized , and didnt mean to be rude, she and her children are upset,. The young boy is 12 and he is very interested in being a K-9 handler for a police dept. someday...His mom has been dating a local policeman, not a K-9 handler, but he has some real true goals.  This of course, is hard , for youngsters , as well as the mom was in love with the girl...The breeder produces some nice pups, and dogs and  they were pleased and shocked..Never having dealt with a German shepherd issue, she was trying to deal with two children, her grief, and deal with a vet that told her to not buy  or get another german Shepherd... The Breeder has had to deal with that , also.   So many vets just use their dealings  with some really bad german shepherds and they let their opinion fall over into their practice and make some of their customers more upset by how they say these things....

She is excited about getting a new baby in 4 weeks and hopefully before school starts...so everything is going to be okay...Hope discussing this helps new people to the site that could have just bought their pup and can prepare themselves for what could happen....

Thanks

Luvmidogs, I was just curious. Always hard to go by the limited info that is posted. Sounds like this breeder is doing more than the contract stated and that is very admirable. I thought she handled the situation well. Regardless of the background of the dogs and how well you match your breedings, there can never be a guarantee that a pup will grow up trouble free. I would advise that they look into how this pup was raised and fed though to avoid a possible repeat with the new pup. HD is not just genetic. The buyer will probably appreciate some guidance. The buyers reaction is also all too common. Grief is a major player when things go sour in the breeder/buyer relationship. Often a cooling off period resolves most issues and people can find a common ground again once the initial disappointment, which is only natural, has dissipated a bit. Good to hear that this has worked itself out in a positive way. And so quickly too. Very nice actually.

I had the misfortune of breeding 2 dogs from the same litter with very severe HD at 6 months of age. One female was sold as show/breeding prospect, one as a pet. Since I only bred a litter per year, I gave the owners the option of either taking a puppy from the next litter telling them it could be at last 6 months or they could have a full refund. I also had a litter mate and offered one as replacement for the pet male. The owner of the show prospect opted to take the refund and had her her dog put down while the pet buyer returned the lame puppy and took the dog I had held back for myself. After learning about the 2 severely dysplastic dogs from a litter of 9, I knew I would not breed any dogs from that litter even though their preliminaries looked normal.

In many breeds a written guarantee/warrantee is required or strongly suggested by the parent breed club. The GSDCA has such a requirement for those who voluntarily sign their breeder's code and will enforce that signing in the event of a proven violation. I've know some very honest breeders who did not guarantee/warrantee their puppies for anthign other than health at the tim eof purchase.. However, they were all sold for the same pet price.

I myself will always look for a breeder who offers a written contract or I will move on.  That written contract demonstrates to me that this is a responsible breeder who stands behind the dogs he or she breeds.