RTT not a puppy mill. - Page 2

The problem here, at least in part is that your interpretation of the standard and "improvement of the breed" is different from any one elses.    It is subjective.  So you make a judgement on.... so and so is not improving the breed.  Let me play devil's advocate for a moment and say that there is not probably one single dog listed on this pedigree database that looks like Horand.  Take a look at how many "reputable" working breeders who do all the right things as far as hips certs, titles, temp. tests, etc. advertise "extreme drive."    That is THEIR interpretation of excellence in GSD.  However, it was NOT what the original "father" of GSD supported.  He stated... golden middle right?  As far as monetary value is concerned, the purchaser decides what the dog is "worth."  Not in the asking price, and frankly, not in whether the dog is "well bred" but in the purchasing power.  The ability to say... yes, or no.  It is an old addage that one man's junk is another man's treasure.  And while I am not making a claim that one kennel or another is the junk or treasure, the point is simply if someone finds that their hearts desire is to have an RTT dog, or a pot bellied pig, and they have the expendable cash to be able to afford 3K or whatever, then to them, that dog is worth 3K.  Conversely, if they saw what YOU might consider an extremely valuable dog at 2K, they might say... "I would never pay that much for THAT type of dog."  You can certainly dismiss them as ignorant or uninformed, but the fact is that if you are selling puppies, you cannot control how other people breed and if you want a customer to be informed then you need to do the informing.  NOT by trashing other people, but by promoting your dogs, your breeding plans, your dog's titles, health and history. 

i think if For Profit is the only criteria, its not for the betterment of any breed, whether byb or puppy mill. i don't mean to actually speak for anyone else, but i think that's prob what sue meant when she said For Profit. any kennel has to make a profit to survive/thrive and buy/breed better dogs. a good kennel cant run on charity. jmo

von symphoni,

1.) You're 100% wrong about my interpretation of improving the breed. I never described what my interpretaion were, except that I think the whole Silo Shepherd is wrong.

2.) I never trashed anyone for liking or disliking RTT, only spoked ''negatively" towards people accusing others that had no proof.

3.) If you have been reading from the other posts, then you would already know that I have stated that the wroth of the dog is up to the buyer not the seller. You can put 15 dollar price tag on a wingless fly but that doesn't mean someone will buy it.

Point blank, this post is about RTT being a puppy mill or not. Von, if you want to, you can start your own post on how people try to better the breed.      I support kennels very much that do that. As long as it is not done in a lab.........LOL

WROTH SHOULD BE WORTH

I agree von symphoni... I paid twice as much for my dog.  She's worth it to me.  Not just her breeding and accomplishments but for what she gives me on a daily basis.  Right now I wouldn't sell either of my dogs for a million dollars.

Policemom,

I can't count how many times I have said that too. I would never knock anyone down for that. But once again, this isn't about paying too much money for a dog. This post is about the fact that RTT in my mind isn't a puppy mill. Just because you make a profit doesn't mean you're a puppy mill. If you or anyone would believe that they are a puppy mill, share your thoughts.

Right the only thing I heard so far that pionts people in the directions that they are running a puppy mill is because they make a profit. Well, who the hell doesn't make a profit? You are allowed to make money!!!!!!1

I think the problem here is that every person has a different interpretation on what improving the breed is and on what Stephanitz wanted.  I know my opinion of breed betterment is probably wildly different than alot of other peoples...but I also think Stephanitz is rolling in his grave right now.

With that being said I think that 3.5K is very steep for a dog that probably wont be doing anything really nifty like police work.  But then again - I have seen breeders doll out upwards of 10K for a stud with minimal titles and a bad temperment all because he was pretty (really, really pretty).

Von Symphoni - I thought that was a really good post...I especially agree with the last sentences.

~Cate

And I wanted to say one thing : in defense of the Shilohs (which I have never met nor really had a chance to look at).  Maryland has a 24/7 SAR unit that is very well trained and very proffesional and from what I have heard very highly regarded - they have more Shiloh's than GSDs or Mals or other dogs...I have also seen Shilohs highlited in several SAR articles...I have never met one personally - but in general to me that speaks very highly of the breed.

pionts should be points, sorry. I am at work. Trying to type faster than my brain thinks.

ceph,

Show me one thats listed in this site. A can of coke is not the same as can of pepsi. Once again, this is not what the post is about.

John

lol - as fast as these posts are coming I am not surprised :p

~Cate