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by Shandra on 17 June 2007 - 17:06
I only reffered to the SPCA because of their high standards and requirements for adoption. I admire the way the SPCA's that I have seen handle their adoptions and follow ups. No, Xena is not a rescue nor did she come from a shelter.
Xena does have Ch Show in her bloodlines as well as Ch Tracking. I am still researching the rest of her lineage. I consider any dog that does not have even basic structure to AKC or breed standards unacceptable for breeding to anything.
As I said before, I jumped the gun without full or even basic knowledge of what I was doing when I allowed these 2 to breed. Hindsight is always 20/20. I thought they might be to old to start training, so I wrongly thought to get a pup from these 2 and start from there.
I am going to have them assesed by a trainer. If either are acceptable then I will be taught as I am training. Otherwise I will wait for a pup and go from there. Either way I will have someone that knows what they are doing to guide and teach me.
Everyone had to start from somewhere, unfortunately I didnt start off doing it the right way.
No offense taken, I know you only have the best interest of the breed and the sport at heart :)
by Puputz on 17 June 2007 - 17:06
"I mean, say I had a litter, and sold a pup, litter being A, would the name be Adam Von Hena-C ? I would really like to keep the naming of the Von Hena-C since it is traceable."
No, you need your own kennel name. Doing this would easily call for a lawsuit since you do not "own" the breeders kennel name.
by urmangsd on 17 June 2007 - 18:06
Therese,
There is no set rule of naming pups from a litter, however there are several different common methods.
I was highly recommend that you do not use the Hena-C name for your pups, this will confuse people who think the litter was bred by Hena-C, also, the Hena-C kennel may be offended by you using their name because they have no control over the breeding or quality of the pups.
Pups do not take the name of their sire or dam, they take the name of the kennel that bred them.
In North America the breeders do not commonly name all the pups in a litter, instead they leave that up to the new owners. The most common method of naming a dog is for the kennel name to come first, then followed by a long, fancy pun name that is the dog’s registered name. They are given a call name separate from their registered name. example “Kismet’s Sight for Sore Eyes” Kismet is the kennel that bred the dog, Sight for Sore Eyes is the dog’s registered name, and this particular dog’s call name is “Dallas”.
If a litter is co-bred between 2 kennels then both kennel names are used, example “Borador-Sundown’s Charlie Brown” Borador and Sundown are 2 separate kennels.
A kennel who uses a stud dog may sometimes honor the stud dog’s kennel by including their name in the dog’s name. such as “Rattlebridge’s Wye Give it Time” Rattlebridge is the kennel that bred the dog, Wye is the kennel that owns the stud dog (there are other reasons to honor a kennel in the naming of a dog other than the use of their stud dog too). Sometimes a kennel that bought a dog from another kennel will include their name at the end of the dog’s name. example “Amberlynn’s Blue Rose of Buckhaven” Amberlynn bred the dog, Buckhaven owns the dog.
This method of naming dogs can also be found in the UK, Australia and a few other countries.
by urmangsd on 17 June 2007 - 18:06
Second part:
In most of the rest of the world, the kennel name comes last. The breeder usually names the entire litter after a letter (hence the A-litter, B-litter, etc) This is an organized way for both the breeder and other folks to know which breeding a dog came from. Example: Urma vom Quartier Latin, Ulf vom Quartier Latin, Ussy vom Quartier Latin. These dogs are all littermates named by their breeder. The call name is first, the kennel name last and a possessive is used inbetween. The most common possessives used worldwide are the German possessives, from the German language, such as vom, von, von-der, von-den, etc. Which mean of, from, of-the or from-the. However, you may find dogs with possessives in their name from other languages, depending on where the kennel is located.
In some countries, possessives are not commonly used, instead a dog may just have it’s call-name as the first name and it’s kennel name as it’s last name. example “Adam Leisdear” (this particular method is how I choose to be naming pups I bred).
So, you have several different choices on how to name your pups, have fun deciding!
Courtney
by yellowrose of Texas on 17 June 2007 - 18:06
Thank you Courtney and now Shandra is getting good info to start her new journey.... you came to the right place...just take the suggestions and info as that .,,,it has nothing personal to do with you.....but sometimes we breeder get preturbed as to how did someone do this without someone guiding them from the get go...? you learn with your first shepherd many things not to do with the rest of them......Thanks to David Moore, and Richard Ford and Larry Filo and many others.....name to many to publish.....and Evin....cant leave him out (Stanley)
by Don Corleone on 17 June 2007 - 18:06
Is this an awards show, Yellowrose?
by Shandra on 17 June 2007 - 19:06
Thank you so much urmangsd, that is exactly what I needed to know :)
Now that everyone knows how ignorant on the subject I am, how about recommending some good books? :)
by Don Corleone on 17 June 2007 - 20:06
Pick up Ivan Balabanov's book and videos.
I can't think of the name of the book, but Karen Pryor, a behavior specialist, has a nice starter book to read.
OHHH! If your table is unlevel, pick up Cesar Milan's book!
by sueincc on 17 June 2007 - 20:06
"The German Shepherd Dog, It's History Development & Genetics" by Malcom Willis (Amazon.com might have copies)
by Shandra on 17 June 2007 - 20:06
heh I have a copy of Ceasar Milan's DVD, I was not impressed at all.
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