bio-engineering; synthetic DNA, that replicates - a bit scarey - Page 16

What else he gonna do in prison.

7Patch, the very last paragraph in your main post on this page

sums up where Shtal is 'at'.

I do not anticipate any change in the forseeable future,  people

have been trying to educate him for some time ...

However, thank you for a clear and well-reasoned contribution

which I am sure those of us without shut minds ought to find

enlightening.

SevenPatch,

I am not going to repeat things that I said for the last two years, on this forum, but I will provide you some links; and I can't help people when they are strongly deluded as yourself.

 

http://www.gotquestions.org/microevolution-macroevolution.html

http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/

http://www.icr.org/article/do-bacteria-evolve-resistance-antibiotics/

http://www.icr.org/article/mutation-fixation-dead-end-for-macro-evolution/

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/evolution-impossible

 

Shtal.

Shtal you ok man? It is not like you to not repeat the same shit over and over and over ...what's. up.


i see yr science links....icr, answersingenesis, peer reviewed in the pro science literature .........?!?

VK4 wrote: Shtal you ok man? It is not like you.........

 

Well, I can cut and paste my old post(s) if that will make you feel better

Just for you my dear vk4

I usually preach on this forum and prefer not to have conversations; but I will ask you, honestly I don’t know where you got an idea that I am dishonest; I am always trying to be straight forward when it comes to science and scientific evidence. Example things I spoke/said in the past, like information science; there is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter; and it make sense, you pickup a book it got information in it, it got these encoded symbolic messages in there, that can convey expected, action and indented purpose. And that does not come about by explosion in the typewriter, does it? You know when you read a book, it didn’t come about by random process, it doesn’t generate by itself, information does not generate by itself in matter. Good example: when its progress along the chain of transmission events is traced backward, every piece of information leads to a mental source, the mind of the sender. Here is the truth, although information can be copied and it can be copied blindly as a Xerox machine, it can make copies of information, if you trace it back it ultimately comes to a mind; the mind of a sender; you read a book and it has an author. Now it is also very interested because of course in DNA we have information and all of that information, is the instruction that make you, physical form and perhaps some of your personally trait and so on and so forth…The fact that we have information in our DNA tells us that DNA couldn’t come about by a random chance process, that information is being copied many times, you got from your parents and they got it from there parents all the way back to Adam and Eve and it came from the mind, the mind of God; so the information science confirms creation…Mutations won’t do it; you see all point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it. Mutation does not add brand new instructions; not even one mutation has been observed that adds a little information to the genome. You see mutations may increase survival value under certain circumstances, that’s fine but they don’t add brand new information to the genome; they don’t do that, it will violate the laws information science. Information science, genetics they confirm Biblical creation and not what we would expect given evolutionary world view. You see the reason I chose not to have this type of conversations; example I will say animals they reproduce according to there kinds, that’s what we expect, but you may say well maybe they will do today, give enough time and one kind can change into another. Then I will say DNA has information, it doesn’t come by a chance and you may say maybe there is unknown mechanism that produces, give us time we will find it.
It is not wrong to show people that there is evidence that is consistence with God, his word confirms that…And I think there is value in that, but evidence by itself is never decisive, because you always required a world view to tell you what to make of that evidence, there for philosophically stout person will not be persuaded by mere evidence…Evidence by itself is not decisive because your presuppositions tell you what to make out of evidence; we cannot argue that our world view is right because of the evidence but because our world view tell us how to interpret that evidence; I hope that is clear…
 
Btw, If evolution is true and you can explain everything without God, then you are an atheist, so evolution backups atheism, all atheist are evolutionists; they have to be because you have to explain how you got here without God and that makes sense to me which is why I always say evolution/atheist remarks. But of course there are some people who believe in evolution and God at the same time which is called “theistic evolutionists”.

 

 

The word “Evolution” has many meanings, only one of which is scientific.
 

1. Cosmic Evolution: the origin of time, space and matter, i.e. Big Bang.
2. Chemical Evolution – the origin of higher elements from hydrogen.
3. Stellar and Planetary evolution. Origin of stars and planets. No one has ever seen a star form.
4. Organic Evolution. Origin of Life.
5. Macro-Evolution. Changing from one kind into another.
6. Micro-Evolution. Variations within kinds. Only this one has been observed.

 
The Bible says the animals will bring forth after their kind. Charlie Darwin wrote a book called:
The Origin of Species: You see the dog and the wolf are the same kind of animal but they are different species, he “Charlie” fooled everybody by changing the words from kind to species.
 
Last option what we have what it’s called Micro-Evolution; this is changes within the kinds. Now that one happens. I will go alone with number #6 option. I think animals can produce who variety of offspring; you know - long hair, short hair, long legged, and short legged. That happens. But the first other five options of evolution are purely religious, it’s NOT science, we never observed any of those. And all evolutionist people all they give is example number #6 which there is no argument about – it happens. But then they imply that is somehow magically evidence for all other 5 options of evolution and it is NOT. 

Evolution is really not an evolution – all it is - variations between same types of creatures, any creature produce within its kind or maybe with minor or some little changes and evolutionist people calls it micro-evolution. When a dog produces another dog – it is still a dog and there is simply a lot of variety of different dogs.
 (Chihuahua and German shepherd are completely different, but it’s still a dog) Example: They might have common ancestors like a wolf or coyote; lol but they are completely different from banana…. But some very smart scientist couldn’t figure that out!!!!
 
But the Bible says: Animals will bring forth after their kind; that’s all they ever do – bring forth after their kind. (They don’t make brand new things.)
 
Evolution did not happen but just humanist thinking.
 
The theory of real evolution is when one creature completely changes to another creature which called Macro-Evolution - this is not scientific but a religion world view. But the real science is when we can see, test and demonstrate…. So the Marco-evolution never being observed and it’s not part of the fact or science.

Evolution Text book says and show a picture. Four wing fly, which by the way it cannot fly: And it says Normal fruit flies have two wings. This mutant has four. This rare mutation, like most mutations, is harmful. Then it says beneficial Mutations are the raw material for natural selection.
 
Oh no, hold on a minute, why don’t they show us an example of beneficial mutation?
 
Why would they tell us about good ones and don’t show us picture of it. “The Good one”
 
Do you know why they didn’t show us a good picture of a good mutation in a text book? Because nobody ever seen one. There was never been one beneficial mutation. And they say Evolution and Natural Selection go together. It says Natural selection causes evolution, that is a lie, natural selection, selects. It doesn’t create anything. Natural selection is not a creative force, okay!
Natural selection maybe stabilizing force, but its not a creative force, anybody with a half of brain could figure that out. Natural selection, cannot create any property, it can only select.
And text book says, Evolution by natural selection had occurred in just one year. No they are lying.
And it says natural selection can lead to evolution, that is a lie! Natural selection, selects, it doesn’t create a thing.
Mutations are the original source of variation in populations. I agree mutations happened, no question… But mutations do not produce evolution, mutations scrambling up existence generic code; they are not making anything new.
Example there was 5-legged bull that is the mutant, there is no new information added, he already had information how to make a leg, he just made one in the wrong place, that’s all. It’s not new information, it is scramble information. Another example shot legged sheep, again, no new information; by the way it’s not beneficial.
Evolution is dead, the theory is “defunct” there is no evidence to support it, but some of the followers are pretty dedicated, and have hard time to let it go.

Evolution is based on two faulty assumptions.
Number 1, they say mutation makes something new, that was never been observed…Number 2, natural selection makes it survive and take over population. Evolution is actually religion of death, in order to evolution to work; one animal evolves little better than the rest, what must happen to the rest to make this thing work? They got to die or else new improve gene swamp back into the gene code. The question is so simple and profound, did man bring death into the world like the Bible says or did death bring man into the world like evolution says… Somebody is wrong!

Here is the example for you.
If you work in the factory that makes cars, suppose you work in quality control, your job was is to check the car when they are got done building it, you know kick the tires, slam the doors and drive it around – see if it runs…If you caught every single mistake, they don’t by the way, but if you did okay. How long would it take that quality control process to change the car to an airplane? You would say quality control could not change to something else. Oh I know that. Only design engineers could change it, and God natural selection is a quality control that will never change to a different animal. You would just make sure you will get a good animal. That is all.

SevenPatch,

Thank you for your detailed responses. I actually agree with you that a dog site is a rather odd place to preach religion. Certainly other posters think in an opposite direction. Sometimes one just feels compelled to make a comment when it becomes the only game in town.

What breed of dog do you own? I might have missed that, if you already mentioned it elsewhere. 

Hitler talks about MACRO-Evolution.........ROFTL

Even more funny given Hitler banned atheism in 1933 and was a devout christian. But since when have creationists ever told the truth.


so lets move on to eugenics led by the churches and genocide by christians on nearly every indigenous culture in modern history or are creationists reduced to making factually incorrect funny propaganda videos.


ROFLMAO indeed.

Even more funny given Hitler banned atheism in 1933 and was a devout christian. But since when have creationists ever told the truth.


so lets move on to eugenics led by the churches and genocide by christians on nearly every indigenous culture in modern history or are creationists reduced to making factually incorrect funny propaganda videos.


ROFLMAO indeed.

This exchange of bizarre misinformation is beyond the scope of both arguing parties. 

It therefore, must be intended as amusement for the rest of us.