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by Czech DDR Lover on 08 December 2012 - 17:12
To h4j...in this thread I didn't read of anyone talking down on Jen's dogs, or breeders of her (or your) dogs until you yourself brought that thought into the picture.
And for the record..
I am the one you are referring to that called you, asking about the information relayed about TH...And why? Because you were harassing my friend, the new chosen breeder of TH, pressuring her over and over not to sell TH one of her puppies with all of this dirt you dug up on TH and her family. I was called by my friend for my opinion about whether she thought she should sell this person TH a puppy.
THAT is why I called you. Neither myself or the breeder of TH's new pup had heard any of this about TH, so naturally we were concerned when you continued to barrage her with the information you dug up on them, and felt the need to investigate the allegations. After doing so, and in asking questions and checking more on references on TH with TH's training club members, and other people who knew TH and her family, as well my friend having to ask questions of TH herself and her son, we did not believe the negative information you passed along about them gave reason to continue to have concerns about selling TH a puppy. TH responded with answers to all questions with detail, complete honesty, and without malice. She has handled herself with great self control and courtesy throughout this matter. Doubtful many of us would have been able to do as good a job holding our tempers, having to endure such nasty, slanderous bashings publicly.
And for the record..
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by hunger4justice on 08 December 2012 - 00:12 |
| No I did NOT harass any breeder. This could get very ugly very fast. Shall we go there? Shall I post the transcript of the phone message I got asking me for information-messages I have SAVED? Shall I post the email orignally sent TO me? Shall I go into detail about court records that were a lot more revealing than people want to say? Who called me, Workingdogz? Do you know? Just because they did not like my answer does not make me guilty of harassment. |
THAT is why I called you. Neither myself or the breeder of TH's new pup had heard any of this about TH, so naturally we were concerned when you continued to barrage her with the information you dug up on them, and felt the need to investigate the allegations. After doing so, and in asking questions and checking more on references on TH with TH's training club members, and other people who knew TH and her family, as well my friend having to ask questions of TH herself and her son, we did not believe the negative information you passed along about them gave reason to continue to have concerns about selling TH a puppy. TH responded with answers to all questions with detail, complete honesty, and without malice. She has handled herself with great self control and courtesy throughout this matter. Doubtful many of us would have been able to do as good a job holding our tempers, having to endure such nasty, slanderous bashings publicly.
by Teufel Hunde on 08 December 2012 - 17:12
You just keep showing your true colors. You explanations are outlandish and you are only making things worse for yourself...YOU are YOUR worst enemy.
And by the way...when I discussed your "evidence" with your attorney and informed him it was a real good thing he never presented it in YOUR defense he said it wasn't his idea, you wanted to submit it. When I informed him you would now have wage garnishments he replied with "I don't care.....I'm sick of dealing with her". And YES.....there are witness's to this statement.
And by the way...when I discussed your "evidence" with your attorney and informed him it was a real good thing he never presented it in YOUR defense he said it wasn't his idea, you wanted to submit it. When I informed him you would now have wage garnishments he replied with "I don't care.....I'm sick of dealing with her". And YES.....there are witness's to this statement.
by Elkoorr on 08 December 2012 - 18:12
destiny4u:
You appeared to be ok with having criminal records of Cats Son spread throughout the internet for people to read who had no interest in them. You are most likely aware that he is a single dad rising a pre-teen son who is able to use a computer and read. How you think he is feeling when he reads that his dad is called a felon all over the internet, that he at current was accused of abusing drugs and alcohol, and of abusing animals? What you think his classmates will be asking him? Will he be bullied eventually? How would you feel about this if it would be your son? And why would the court system grand castody to such a bad criminal to begin with?
Even though those things are "public record", unless you are directly involved with that person, you dont have a need to know. Its like I would pull all your speeding tickets and accidents up, stand in front of your workplace and pass out flyers with your data for all your coworkers to read. Oh, not to forget, I would put up flyers in the bathrooms too. Guess who is accused first if someone gets a bump on his/her car in the parking lot? Even though public record, it doesnt make it right.
Mcintyre......you couldnt be more wrong in this case. You comparing Jury cases to small claims court. Besides, Cat clearly stated that evidence was communicated to Jen's attourney. Well, and in the case of the Insurance claims paper Jen provided, her own evidence was able to be held against her. She should perceive herself lucky if nobody blows the whristle to the insurance company for a closer investigation of this case. You might have over read it, but the other site was present... in form of her attourney, who probably didnt know what to say to help her case besides asking for a new court date.
To sum it up, all this could have been avoided if Jen just would have stood up to what she preaches to everyone else. Shit happens, its how one owns it that seperates the elite from the average.
To add: I too own an Eisenherz dog; the problem is he doesnt know it and could give a rats ass for it as for I am his heaven on earth. Cat never down talked Jen's dogs in our conversations. She even said that that young black female recently shown at the Topline show deserved much better in rating and placement, as she really looks nice. Its not about Jen's dogs, but its all about her and her character, and thats where she failed everyone who once believed in her.
You appeared to be ok with having criminal records of Cats Son spread throughout the internet for people to read who had no interest in them. You are most likely aware that he is a single dad rising a pre-teen son who is able to use a computer and read. How you think he is feeling when he reads that his dad is called a felon all over the internet, that he at current was accused of abusing drugs and alcohol, and of abusing animals? What you think his classmates will be asking him? Will he be bullied eventually? How would you feel about this if it would be your son? And why would the court system grand castody to such a bad criminal to begin with?
Even though those things are "public record", unless you are directly involved with that person, you dont have a need to know. Its like I would pull all your speeding tickets and accidents up, stand in front of your workplace and pass out flyers with your data for all your coworkers to read. Oh, not to forget, I would put up flyers in the bathrooms too. Guess who is accused first if someone gets a bump on his/her car in the parking lot? Even though public record, it doesnt make it right.
Mcintyre......you couldnt be more wrong in this case. You comparing Jury cases to small claims court. Besides, Cat clearly stated that evidence was communicated to Jen's attourney. Well, and in the case of the Insurance claims paper Jen provided, her own evidence was able to be held against her. She should perceive herself lucky if nobody blows the whristle to the insurance company for a closer investigation of this case. You might have over read it, but the other site was present... in form of her attourney, who probably didnt know what to say to help her case besides asking for a new court date.
To sum it up, all this could have been avoided if Jen just would have stood up to what she preaches to everyone else. Shit happens, its how one owns it that seperates the elite from the average.
To add: I too own an Eisenherz dog; the problem is he doesnt know it and could give a rats ass for it as for I am his heaven on earth. Cat never down talked Jen's dogs in our conversations. She even said that that young black female recently shown at the Topline show deserved much better in rating and placement, as she really looks nice. Its not about Jen's dogs, but its all about her and her character, and thats where she failed everyone who once believed in her.
by Teufel Hunde on 08 December 2012 - 18:12
To refresh every ones memory on what this thread was about...
I purchased a pup from a breeder that publicly states full refund for any reason feeling this was a safety net "just in case". Never in my wildest dreams did I expect it to actually come to returning the pup.It was decided the breeder would take the pup back, supply the necessary surgery and rehome the dog. END of STORY. What the breeder has done shows not only that she brags of a warranty she has no intention of honoring, but that she prefers a smoke and mirrors game to absolve herself from her responsibilities and uses bullying tactics to intimidate people.
My request to meet in person for cash that "scared" her so bad was a request to meet at TRAINING in front of EVERYONE so their would be people to witness the transaction to protect ourselves. The request for cash was because at even that point I did not trust her with another check. Please stop using only the bits and pieces you think make yourself look good.
I purchased a pup from a breeder that publicly states full refund for any reason feeling this was a safety net "just in case". Never in my wildest dreams did I expect it to actually come to returning the pup.It was decided the breeder would take the pup back, supply the necessary surgery and rehome the dog. END of STORY. What the breeder has done shows not only that she brags of a warranty she has no intention of honoring, but that she prefers a smoke and mirrors game to absolve herself from her responsibilities and uses bullying tactics to intimidate people.
My request to meet in person for cash that "scared" her so bad was a request to meet at TRAINING in front of EVERYONE so their would be people to witness the transaction to protect ourselves. The request for cash was because at even that point I did not trust her with another check. Please stop using only the bits and pieces you think make yourself look good.
by mollyandjack on 08 December 2012 - 19:12
Thought I would offer some clarification of something, since I was tangentially brought into this "I gave my sincere condolences about your loss, on the thread your friend posted about his passing, which by the way I felt was an extremely cold way to announce that he had passed, but I have not said anything about it publicly or otherwise because I know first hand the pain of loosing a beloved dog suddenly."
I'm not sure what you are complaining about here. Jen asked me to post about Caleb's passing after I read about it on another message board and offered my condolences. It had happened so suddenly and she did not want to have to make post after post about it or even have to see people's responses. If one of my dogs passed away suddenly, I would feel the same way. She just did not want to have to deal with people's questions at the time. Grief is different for everyone and it is extremely tacky to only now complain about how you were informed of his passing (or even complain about it at all). As for getting more details, an email takes about five seconds. I should know, since I sent one at the time. If you are not complaining about Jen's decision to ask me to post about it, and are instead complaining about how I did so, word choice, et al, I am not going to write up a teary eyed, maudlin post for emotional vultures on a message board to pick over when the only person that can truly honor the dog's memory is doing so in the way she feels is best, and the way that matters most.
For the record, I don't think either Jen or I would consider the other a friend, as I think we both require more than email exchanges and message board posts to consider someone a friend OR an enemy.
And just so all of the various lynch mob factions on both sides of the aisle can ease back and relax for a second - no, Jen did not send a secretive email about my sort-of mention in a post. No one sent me any kind of email about anything having to do with this thread - I saw it today and couldn't believe it was at 13 pages. There is no "cult" that I am a part of or am even aware of, I have heard nothing about any of this since the last time it appeared on this message board, there has been no whining or pleading or secretive phone messages or records sent to me. I can't speak for other people, but that's the facts from me.
And now, I'm going to go back to building a fence for my dogs while 38 weeks pregnant, and then I'm going to do some tracking. It's a nice day to be outside in NC.
I'm not sure what you are complaining about here. Jen asked me to post about Caleb's passing after I read about it on another message board and offered my condolences. It had happened so suddenly and she did not want to have to make post after post about it or even have to see people's responses. If one of my dogs passed away suddenly, I would feel the same way. She just did not want to have to deal with people's questions at the time. Grief is different for everyone and it is extremely tacky to only now complain about how you were informed of his passing (or even complain about it at all). As for getting more details, an email takes about five seconds. I should know, since I sent one at the time. If you are not complaining about Jen's decision to ask me to post about it, and are instead complaining about how I did so, word choice, et al, I am not going to write up a teary eyed, maudlin post for emotional vultures on a message board to pick over when the only person that can truly honor the dog's memory is doing so in the way she feels is best, and the way that matters most.
For the record, I don't think either Jen or I would consider the other a friend, as I think we both require more than email exchanges and message board posts to consider someone a friend OR an enemy.
And just so all of the various lynch mob factions on both sides of the aisle can ease back and relax for a second - no, Jen did not send a secretive email about my sort-of mention in a post. No one sent me any kind of email about anything having to do with this thread - I saw it today and couldn't believe it was at 13 pages. There is no "cult" that I am a part of or am even aware of, I have heard nothing about any of this since the last time it appeared on this message board, there has been no whining or pleading or secretive phone messages or records sent to me. I can't speak for other people, but that's the facts from me.
And now, I'm going to go back to building a fence for my dogs while 38 weeks pregnant, and then I'm going to do some tracking. It's a nice day to be outside in NC.
by Working GSDs on 08 December 2012 - 20:12
I don't know TH or Jen other than from posts on several forums,but I am amazed at the reactions of some on this post.The whole situation is wrotten and TH did well to bring it uo.The rest is giving too much attention to Jen who doesn't deserve it
I feel bad for people like Jean who,I think thought well of Jen. I feel sorry for the people who thought that Jen knew something about dogs.
Mike
I feel bad for people like Jean who,I think thought well of Jen. I feel sorry for the people who thought that Jen knew something about dogs.
Mike
by Dogger on 08 December 2012 - 20:12
Hello, You guys and gals do not know me and I am going remain anonymous because I don't want to be slandered like Jen has been all over the place. Jen did not ask me to post but I felt I had to. I have known Jen for many years and I have absolutely no idea whom you people are referring to in this thread but it is certainly NOT the Jennifer I know. Jen is by far the most principled person I have ever met. She puts dogs before everything except her child. She puts her dogs and other people's dogs before herself on a regular basis. Jen is one of the most honest people I know because she has nothing to hide so there is no reason to not be honest. If she tells someone she will do something then she does it ALWAYS. I also saw the litter Corado is from before they left for their new homes and there was NOTHING wrong with any of those pups. This witch hunt is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. It only brings to light the negative character of these miserable middle aged ninnies and it only serves to show the positive character of Jennifer who does not feel a need to lash back at people so small and petty. I could go on and on. I don't what else to say. I will let you gals get back to fantasy land. On a positive note at least your dogs suffer less the more you gossip online. LOL LOL LOL
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by Czech DDR Lover on 08 December 2012 - 20:12
Re:
You are correct about my wording...it should have read "which by the way I felt was an extremely cold way to LEARN that he had passed," and I apologize it didn't state that in my post.
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by mollyandjack on 08 December 2012 - 19:12 |
| Thought I would offer some clarification of something, since I was tangentially brought into this "I gave my sincere condolences about your loss, on the thread your friend posted about his passing, which by the way I felt was an extremely cold way to announce that he had passed, but I have not said anything about it publicly or otherwise because I know first hand the pain of loosing a beloved dog suddenly." |
You are correct about my wording...it should have read "which by the way I felt was an extremely cold way to LEARN that he had passed," and I apologize it didn't state that in my post.
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Kim
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