and the truth shall prevail......... - Page 10

  Does anyone really think if there was anything incriminating about the dates, I would've sent it to her? Remember, I'm the one who scanned that claim form and sent it to her, though she is waving it like evidence for her side. The surgeon put the date on the form that he first did the surgical consultation.  This isn't the first vet I took him to. This is the far away one I wanted to do the surgery because it was a complicated procedure. The other invoice from the local vet I took him to for xrays was dated prior to that. Keep in mind you can't sign a dog up for insurance unless he has had a recent vet exam. His regular vet looked at him I believe March 11th or 14th and deemed him "skeletally normal." This is the information I was going on when I began to finally listen to those telling me that they smelled a rat. Honestly, I didn't really believe anything was wrong with him at the point she was saying there was. Mysteriously, he was far from skeletally normal by March 26th, or so she claimed when she took him for an xray, which we have no idea whether or not that is actually him, and none of these vets she's claiming saw him were ever mentioned to me. Hard to say "insurance fraud" when all I had to go on was a visit in which he was normal from the only vet I actually *knew* he saw. I didn't trust her at this point at all and just wanted him home. 

Don't forget, I didn't dream this up on my own. No premonitions told me to check up on him and try and get him back. I had people calling me, telling me they have their hands on him frequently and suddenly, after an absence, he is "all f'd up" and his legs are swollen and crooked. Were they lying? Was she lying? Was he always like that and they missed it? Was he like that and his regular vet missed it on his mid March check-up? As I've told her many times, I have no idea what happened and who, if anyone, is guilty. All I know is none of it ever made sense- his face, his tooth (trauma when SECOND tooth was developing, not first, as would be the case if it was Capri or Cierny who caused it, but I would have noticed a bump on his face- and the first mention of it was a while after he was picked up), his legs...all on ONE puppy? All others are fine? This is the only puppy who lives with people I would choose not to associate with, given the full run-down? Remember, she accused me of selling her a "disfigured" puppy back in the day, in the other thread she started because she was paranoid I was talking about her. I have NEVER started a thread about her where I accused her of anything. As I told her, I cannot prove what happened or what didn't happen, or that it isn't just a big coinky-dink that the only dog living with people with shady history has a SLEW of problems, and none of the others have had any.  I told her to take the money and make sure nothing like ever happens again to any dog in her care and she will never be bothered by me.  

As to Qira, not sure what she has to do with this. Her issue was similar, but not the same. She had surgery at 4mos., 5 years ago,  after chronic limping from 11-12 weeks on. Both sides, her distal ulnar physis was closed and she had UAP. Surgeon said possible trauma, possible genetic predisposition. I never bred her because she has a littermate with unilateral UAP, so I leaned toward possible genetics just to be extra safe. As you all know, she's in a pet home with papers still in my name. Who cares? Where's the relevance? She didn't come down with this suddenly, her face is fine, her hip is fine (Corrado also had a lump on his hip) and her teeth are fine. I also don't have other dogs with facial trauma and broken teeth. 

Bingo, Chaz! I was pretty floored when I got an email from Cat in late June, demanding that I bring cash, in person (um, no thank you...you people are a tad scary...) because she never got the check. She lives an hour and a half away or so- I didn't mail it to Manila or Taiwan without tracking. One would think that by now, 8mos. later, if the check had not arrived, it would've been returned to me, no? It was a flat envelope, not something likely to get torn up by post office machines and wind up in Neverland.

I should have talked to a few of her acquaintances prior to sending it without tracking- I had more than one tell me she would claim she didn't get it. Someone like her isn't quiet from the first week of May until the last week in June- almost 2 months- if you really owe them money! So, I told her to ask around her household- perhaps someone stole it (not that anyone in that household would steal anything...) or maybe she should reconsider trying to extort more money from me, as I now had the surgeon's report. She responded that since I "didn't send it certified" the burden of proof was on me. Gee, she knows exactly how I did or did not mail it, but she thinks I never sent it? Huh. Funny how people with a long history of LE run-ins are so good at finding loopholes. I guess the defendant always yearns to be the plaintiff? Is that anything like "always a bridesmaid, never a bride?"  

by Chaz Reinhold on 06 December 2012 - 04:12	Chaz Reinhold Posts: 1348 Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 04:59 pm
Yes, the bank would know. But why would i even think it wasn't cashed?

I have guys from headquarters in town all week that I have to entertain so I need to get to work early. A lot of you are telling me not to say another word, these people are just experts at being victims, and a few of you are annoyed with me that I haven't bothered to tell my side of the story and explain the details she is so expertly twisting to make herself appear the victim. I tried to run through a few of them in this post.  It was locked last night when I tried.

 What people choose to believe is out of my control. Like someone said to me on the phone last night, a forum lurker, at the end of the day, it's a numbers game. This is ONE puppy, ever, where anyone has complained about me, and that person's credibility is, let's just say, questionable. An intelligent, critical thinker will at least see some red flags and wonder just maybe?????? there is something not totally on the up and up, where others will take what they read at face value and think a life of trying to beat the system is "irrelevant." 

Have a great day. I'm sure you'll find plenty to talk about without me. 

well, being a postal worker....anything can happen to your mail....at any time...any day. It's just that simple:-) Registered mail is the only way you can be sure...and people have had problems with that....right now at my facility, they are going over mail from 22 post offices that were flooded....lots of destroyed mail...unfortunately! Keep at it folks...this is entertainment at its' best....

hmmm..............Why was Corrado returned by TH w/o refund at the time of pick up?

I mean, if i paid for a dog and was returning it knowingly i was getting a refund it would have been;  leash in 1 hand and the check in the other, no check no dog.....ignorance is nothing but a worthless excuse....learned your lesson-great ..move on and don't do it again...no point to stir this up...

Well, I'd say it showed good faith and trust in the 'breeder' by
the OP to return the puppy with papers etc and not have an 
immediate refund. I bet she regrets that now.

For the life of me, I just cannot understand someone not sending
a refund of any sort sent back to a buyer that there is already some
animosity with in some form of traceable manner, afterall, the 
'breeder' has stated many many times she found out after she 
sold the pup what horrible people the OP and her family was right?
So it's not like she wasn't  already aware of the alleged sordid past
of the seller, so why would she leave anything to chance? 

And yes LF, I agree, no money no dog. But, thats me, I'm a little more
hard ass when it comes to a business transaction. I won't hold the 
OP at fault for being trusting of the 'breeder' to stand behind her guarantee 'to buy back at any time for
any reason policy'. 

A breeder can have an issue with a puppy, it's a living animal and genetics don't always work out the way we would like.  To me the biggest problem with this whole situation is the breeder blaming the puppy buyer for an obviously genetic condition.  I suppose some breeders think their breeding stock, their breeding and themselves are so superior that nothing could ever go wrong.  We have seen this before on this forum where the breeder blames the buyer for an obvious genetic condition, hopefully we won't see it again.  I know this breeder has some very satisfied clients with nice dogs, but I find the posts trashing Teufel, and the criminal history allegations against the family to be in really poor taste and disturbing.  I don't know what happened to the original check, whether or not it was sent or received, why it wasn't sent certified mail?  We do know that three court dates were missed and that to me is concerning because it is  matter of common courtesy to notify the court in advance.  A simple phone call would have sufficed or just notify your attorney that you won't be there. Causing a person drive hours each way knowing you are not going to shows a lack of respect for other people including the court, the defense Atty and the Plaintiff.  

Workingdogz post sums it up pretty well.  I'm glad the situation is resolved and the pup has had the surgery it requires and is in a good home.  I really hope the pup leads a happy and healthy so what normal life.  I completely understand Teufel's reasoning for wanting to clear her name and refute some of the allegations against her.  I'm sure it's no fun being dragged through the mud on an internet forum for months.  

I can tell you, IT TRULY SUCKS GETTING DRUG THROUGH THE MUD ON THIS,OR ANY INTERNET SITE|
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Gee, I would have bet money that the Healthy Paws form was
attached to an email to the OP that came from the 'breeders'
attorney on 11-30-12 in the late afternoon, just scant days away
from the 12-03-12 trial date. The same attorney that urged the OP
they wanted to 'resolve this' and that they were going to introduce
the claim form that was attached as evidence. Couple that with the
threats of 'exposing' the OP in emails from the 'breeder' to the OP,
kind of odd the OP had enough confidence in herself to go to
court huh?  The 'breeder' has stated on numerous boards she
had already paid the OP for the puppy, when in fact it turns out 
that no she had not. And she skipped some very simple steps 
she could have taken to ensure payment was recieved by the
OP, sorry, I find it very hard to believe that the 'breeder' would 
not send the refund by some traceable form of delivery. 

A judgement has been issued, since the 'breeder' found time again
in her busy work day,
to post more here, perhaps she could steal a few minutes to run
out to a Western Union and  get a Money Order made, or by her bank
for another draft etc and then, even if she can't make it to the
Post Office, they will either come to her,  or?
She could use also Fed-Ex or UPS.    Sorry Judron 

Afterall, the 'breeder' found plenty of time to harass the breeder of
the new puppy the OP has purchased. The constant harassment 
by the 'breeder' and her pals was almost enough to spoil the deal,
the new breeder didn't want the drama associated with the OP because
of the harrasment by said people, but the OP provided more than
enough documented proof of the dog's condition and also the
condition of her current dogs to let the new breeder feel it 
was a fine home to send her puppy to. So surely the 'breeder' can
get that refund out lickety split to the OP now right?
After all, not paying ones bills would make one a real bag of crap
wouldn't it? 

Ok, I tried not to coment here, but since Jen mentioned other dogs with broken teeth and facial trauma in Cats care....kinda have to. The other dog Cat has is a dog from my breeding, who unfortunatly cracked one of his K9s, it died and had to be removed. Cat did tell me all about it, and about any other ouchies Aurick ever encountered. I see very frequently pictures of her dogs, and I have seen videos of Aurick as recently as just a few days ago.
At no time anything made me believe that he is being physically abused or badly taken care of. Cat also never said that I sold her a bad pup, neither she asked ever for any monetary refund. I also want to state that Aurick had developed an ear infection as puppy which delayed his flight for a few days leaving from me. Cat was willing to take him even with the infection and treated him until it was fully healed. She again never asked me for a discount or reimbursement of vet costs related to this. The puppy price and shipping was paid in full before Aurick left without any issues what so ever. To Auricks tooth, accidents do happen, especially since his daddy is a high drive knucklehead. Yet, his ability to do SCHH was in question at this point; Corrado was suppose to fill this gap.

Jen bought a female pup out of the same litter. One check too got lost, and had to be reissued after she verified that I didnt cash it. The pup was later rehomed as I could not take her back at this point.

I own Apache vom Eisenherz (Aurick is out of Apache) who has questionable hips, but had an accident as pup where he fell backwards out of the Jeep (he tried to jump in) onto concrete, landing on his right hip. He probably wont pass OFA, I plan on redoing him to see if there is any athritic progression. His hips have been posted here before. He has frequent ouchies too from running/jumping into things or getting into a fight with my neutered male.

She could use also Fed-Ex or UPS.    Sorry Judron 

HA HA....that's ok workingdogz......I'll get over it

Elkoor, I saw the hips when you posted them. My reply to you, I don't remeber seing any signs of trauma. I will be very honest here but I could be wrong! After all it has been some time now.

Once you start working dogs, you will acquire bumps and things and cuts, pulled muscles, jammed necks and so on. I highly doubt any dog that is trully working stays clear of accidents. My male was worked hard, he has chipped one k9, and one k9 is dead.. I still believe to this day if my dog was 10 pounds lighter, the hard work would not show as much on his body. However, he always gave his best..like me when I fell off that tree and now I pay for it with some pains here and there!


Again, I saw the x-rays and all I could remember was that I did not see any trauma... so my advice would be (if you care for one), do pennhip, and OFA at the same time. If now the puppy our of Apache has not that much of desirable hips.. well that is a lot of "blaming it on the injuries" dont you think....If your dogs cant fall, or be worked and according to some people it is all injury, than I would like to see the every day working k-9 hips after 8 years on the street.
I x-rayed my male and I tell ya, he came out really nicely when it comes to the bone health... @ 5 years old and he still had no sighs of arthritis, not even in the BROKEN PAW he broke when he was working in a warehouse around semi trucks ans fell on it badly.


Thank you Elkoor for your honesty, because of that, I would not hesitate to send a puppy buyer to you. Not everything is perfect, admiting to it speaks volumes!