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by fineline on 31 January 2014 - 14:01
Just as i find it interesting the pedigrees of dogs in use in the force does anyone know the pedigree or dam/sire for "fiscal" who is titled as "UK''s best police dog"
Video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5kOrwRr6gQ
just curious or infact any pedigrees of other active uk police working dogs.
I know there are loads and i have seen allot already, just interested in other peoples knowledge.
:)
Video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5kOrwRr6gQ
just curious or infact any pedigrees of other active uk police working dogs.
I know there are loads and i have seen allot already, just interested in other peoples knowledge.
:)
by Hundmutter on 31 January 2014 - 16:01
Unless the handler or someone directly connected to 'Fiscal'
posts a reply on here, probably the only way to trace the dog, or
the mating which produced him, is if you know his KC registered
name.
Many dogs in operational use are bred by those regional Police
forces who have kennels themselves; but a whole lot of others
are donated or sold to the Police, by their breeders, including imports,
and there are also still more than a few that are selected from dogs in
rescues (about which very little is usually known).
posts a reply on here, probably the only way to trace the dog, or
the mating which produced him, is if you know his KC registered
name.
Many dogs in operational use are bred by those regional Police
forces who have kennels themselves; but a whole lot of others
are donated or sold to the Police, by their breeders, including imports,
and there are also still more than a few that are selected from dogs in
rescues (about which very little is usually known).
by Hundmutter on 31 January 2014 - 17:01
PS Fineline, I can't find that video. Google does not recognise
that youtube addy. Can you check all the letters n numbers
are right ? Or post the vid or a direct Link to it here, please ?
that youtube addy. Can you check all the letters n numbers
are right ? Or post the vid or a direct Link to it here, please ?
by fineline on 01 February 2014 - 19:02
by Runag on 01 February 2014 - 21:02
Hi fineline
both of my dogs have police dog breeding in their lines - manpol, wypol, westmids - I have posted the pedigrees of both previously so won't do so again but I agree, it is very interesting. I understand that the male in my bitches pedigree is Manchester Police dog Archie.
both of my dogs have police dog breeding in their lines - manpol, wypol, westmids - I have posted the pedigrees of both previously so won't do so again but I agree, it is very interesting. I understand that the male in my bitches pedigree is Manchester Police dog Archie.
by Hundmutter on 01 February 2014 - 21:02
Thanks. Sounds like "Visco" rather than Fiscal. Staffordshire don't breed their own;
but if he is Police bred he could be from any of the forces Runag mentions.
West Midlands sounds likely; but if he's from a Breeder or an import, or a Rescue,
he could be from anywhere / have anything as a Kennel Affix. I can try asking around.
Nice dog, per the video. Usually if the Handler / Officer has the dog from a puppy,.
they tend to say so in these type of interview. Sounds like he got him as an adult ...
Maybe something to tie up with the local Commendation, but no date on the video,
and where was the mention of "UK Best" ?
but if he is Police bred he could be from any of the forces Runag mentions.
West Midlands sounds likely; but if he's from a Breeder or an import, or a Rescue,
he could be from anywhere / have anything as a Kennel Affix. I can try asking around.
Nice dog, per the video. Usually if the Handler / Officer has the dog from a puppy,.
they tend to say so in these type of interview. Sounds like he got him as an adult ...
Maybe something to tie up with the local Commendation, but no date on the video,
and where was the mention of "UK Best" ?
by ronin on 01 February 2014 - 21:02
Take the UK's best with a pinch, as the majority of forces don't take part in competitions because they don't like the handler/dog abstracted from front lines duties to train or attend trials.
Most pedigrees as hinted end in POL, there are 43 UK forces, many of the smaller ones like Staffordshire don't breed their own, my force Thames Valley is ThamesPol, we're the second biggest section in the UK now, we do have a large breeding scheme, we import, and buy/sell dogs with all the other forces mentioned. We also sell the excess puppies. My only comment is the UK Police is very similar in breeding to countries like Belgium or Holland in that the bitch is X-Rayed and tested for sociability but that's about it, they are rarely worked or qualified as K9's and usually live in pet homes.
In the UK the dogs do get to bite/fight a lot due to our culture and the low level of incidents involving firearms crime which facilitates their frequent deployments, there are lots of strong schutzhund dogs in the many of the Police pedigrees, and names such as Tiekerhook have been in use for the last 15yrs since the quantine rules were relaxed.
They sell to the public what they can't use/sell to other forces, they have a high success rate but I would add caution as they are measured on performance and cost effectiveness so it raises the question if standards are lowered to achieve the right numbers for the bean counters.
Personally I bought from a private breeder in the UK but then I share the same office as the Dog Section, my humble opinion is that there are are some awesome dogs, and total rubbish but then they get the time to train and most important the opportunity to develop through real life exposure.
Ronin
Most pedigrees as hinted end in POL, there are 43 UK forces, many of the smaller ones like Staffordshire don't breed their own, my force Thames Valley is ThamesPol, we're the second biggest section in the UK now, we do have a large breeding scheme, we import, and buy/sell dogs with all the other forces mentioned. We also sell the excess puppies. My only comment is the UK Police is very similar in breeding to countries like Belgium or Holland in that the bitch is X-Rayed and tested for sociability but that's about it, they are rarely worked or qualified as K9's and usually live in pet homes.
In the UK the dogs do get to bite/fight a lot due to our culture and the low level of incidents involving firearms crime which facilitates their frequent deployments, there are lots of strong schutzhund dogs in the many of the Police pedigrees, and names such as Tiekerhook have been in use for the last 15yrs since the quantine rules were relaxed.
They sell to the public what they can't use/sell to other forces, they have a high success rate but I would add caution as they are measured on performance and cost effectiveness so it raises the question if standards are lowered to achieve the right numbers for the bean counters.
Personally I bought from a private breeder in the UK but then I share the same office as the Dog Section, my humble opinion is that there are are some awesome dogs, and total rubbish but then they get the time to train and most important the opportunity to develop through real life exposure.
Ronin
by Hundmutter on 02 February 2014 - 10:02
Sorry, should have said "Could be from any (of the 3) Ronag mentions or
from one of several other Forces " - I didn't mean to imply it was only
Manchester. West Yorks and the W Midlands who bred their own ! As a
'local', I would never DARE suggest Thamespol didn't !!! [ As a Londoner by
birth, perhaps I should also give 'honorable mention' to Metpol, Keston, too.]
(Gosh, Ronin,.are there really still 43 separate Service regions ?).
from one of several other Forces " - I didn't mean to imply it was only
Manchester. West Yorks and the W Midlands who bred their own ! As a
'local', I would never DARE suggest Thamespol didn't !!! [ As a Londoner by
birth, perhaps I should also give 'honorable mention' to Metpol, Keston, too.]
(Gosh, Ronin,.are there really still 43 separate Service regions ?).
by Hundmutter on 02 February 2014 - 17:02
BTW here's another newsclip about him, from last April, so more
recent (but still doesn't give his ancestry, sorry):
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Staffordshire-Police-dog-Visco-captures-
crook/story-18618871-detail/story.html
Apols for not being able to make it a link - I'm such a techno-newb!
recent (but still doesn't give his ancestry, sorry):
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Staffordshire-Police-dog-Visco-captures-
crook/story-18618871-detail/story.html
Apols for not being able to make it a link - I'm such a techno-newb!
by Kaffirdog on 03 February 2014 - 11:02
WHy not contact Matt Holding at Staffordshire police and ask him?
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