Dual Sired Litters - Page 1

In the I learn something new everyday category:

AKC allows dual sired litters since 2000.


The dog breed that caught my interest today, was the Beauceron. I did not before know they can be blue merle. So I started looking around the internet out of curousity & to learn more about the breed. Over at AKC I found a breeder, delving further they stated they have a dual sired litter coming up soon. Rather surprised me.

Anyone here ever done this? Dual sired? It this allowed in Europe?



No dog breed I see on here will ever top the "pony" I came across. LOL

Usually, a dual sired litter means that an accident happened. All pups then need to be DNA'd before papers are issued. 

There are still some poor (breeders) who will expose a female to a stud then will expose her to another stud just for fun.

Some do it because the first male may not have a very high sperm count and want to ensure a full litter.

Actually, dual sired litters are done purposely when one male is already older and you just add a younger male on top. That way you don't 'waste' a breeding. I've done a dual sired litter on purpose. My C litter was a dual sired litter but I probably wouldn't do it again.

@AkitaPedigrees, thank you for your time in answering. You answered some things I was still curious about. Especially this part:

"Typically when done on purpose the best way to do a dual sired litter is to side-by-side A.i. (not frozen, surgical, or shipped) collect from both males, swirls the collections together, and implant at the same time so both have equal chance at proper timing and siring pups."

 

I must have found an old page in regard to fees.  It was saying $25.   Times flies & so does inflation & fees.

 

Anyone know about the rules in Europe?  Just call it my daily continuing education.

 

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Nope, Dual Sired Litters are incredibly expensive. The one I did was side by side AI. We basically just inserted a "cocktail" but still ended up with the whole litter being Athos puppies. This is likely why I wouldn't do it again unless I have a veteran male and don't want to waste the breeding.

AKC is a for profit organization. whatever produces a profit, they are for. and lots of it.

TWC, re European rules on AI:
I'm not an expert, because I have never been directly involved in an Artificial Insemination in GSDs. But as I understand it, Germany, i.e. the SV, has never lifted its ban on AI. I believe the FCI was against it also, unless that has changed & I missed it (but the relationship is odd between the USA & FCI, so maybe while objecting in Europe, the FCI chooses not to comment on what AKC allows ?). Could be wrong - I am sure someone will correct with up-to-date details, if so.

'Susie' told us some years ago that RSV2000 had decided to allow AI, and had set up a register accordingly, but I suspect that was in defiance of the SV / WUSV. AI does take place occasionally throughout Europe, although it is by no means frequent - so presumably not by those breeders who hope to sell back to or compete in Germany; & most people do not need to do it, as they can take bitches to the German studs, if they want. Some countries ( e.g Italy ?) seemed quite keen on RSV2000, but I don't know what has happened to RSV2000 in the last few years; does anyone else ?

I don't think the UK Kennel Club has a Rule against using AI - (all breeds); but then again, the thing about being a money-raising source could apply there too. I suspect even then that The KC would not be keen to allow a deliberate 'Dual Sired Litter'. (All KC Records would presumably have to be marked with an asterisk for every dog Registration which was of "impure or unverified origins" !)

All this has certainly lead me to be curious how the Europeans would be at accepting an AKC registered dual sire litter dog.

That's not blue merle in the Beauceron. It's referred to as Harlequin. Yes, it's odd. But look at the sable and white Collie compared to the sable German shepherd. Even consider the fact that in the Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog carry the merle gene, but it's called Leopard. Blue Merle would be Blue Leopard, nevermind the oddball factor of blue eyes being called "Glass Eyes".

Diamondgal, you are totally correct, I called the colour by the incorrect name.