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by mimi on 17 April 2010 - 17:04

Over the years, I've seen more and more GSD (from Sieger Lines only) with nose not perfectly black (pinky), white toes, white nails, pink paw pads...

Ya, I know that the white on toes of puppies does fade away with time...But what about this nice, older puppy?

The breed standard says nails, pads, nose should be dark...?

Isn't the SV more permissive now regarding the standard? Personnally, I wouldn"t be interested in a puppy with fading pigment...

by GSDSRULE on 17 April 2010 - 19:04

I'm certainly no expert, but that dogs head doesn't look right to me. Kind of "mastiffy" or something.

by BlackthornGSD on 17 April 2010 - 20:04

White on toes isn't the same as fading pigment. Fading pigment would be when there's a disappearing saddle, for example.

A single white toe isn't a big deal, but when half the foot is white, that will be penalized by a judge or koermeister. The white toes are often from a lack of pigmentation development in the womb or from the presence of a white spotting gene.

by GSDtravels on 17 April 2010 - 20:04

GSDSRULE, at first glance, I see what you mean, but I think it's just the way his head is turned.

by wetzler on 17 April 2010 - 22:04

linebreeding no genotype

by Silbersee on 17 April 2010 - 22:04

Beautiful structure in that puppy, but Christine is right - white spotting gene which appears on toes/feet and chest. It has nothing to do with fading pigment or saddle. Workinglines have that gene too, not only showlines. But I agree, sometimes the white is getting too much and the breeders need to be selective in which puppies they pick as the next breeding generation. Dyeing and other deceptive measurements to cover these spots up won't help. The breed standard calls for a few inconspicous spots (on the chest) to be tolerated, not completely white feet.
Chris

by Sunsilver on 17 April 2010 - 23:04

My bitch had a couple of white toes and a white spot on her chest at 8 weeks. I was told not to worry about it, the white would fade as she got older

Well EVERYTHING faded! Here she is at 8 weeks and at 3 years.

I would not buy a puppy with white markings again as a result of this experience.

by poseidon on 17 April 2010 - 23:04

sunsilver, love the puppy expression there :)

by Red Sable on 18 April 2010 - 00:04

Sunsilver, that is what I"ve noticed. The white doesn't go away, everything else just fades so the white isn't as noticeable.

by Silbersee on 18 April 2010 - 01:04

Fading pigment is prevelant in certain lines but again, the white spots do not have anything to do with it. The fading is a result of not watching for that in breeding. Personally, I never had a fading saddle in any of my dogs. For me, black markings and saddles are very important and we have always paid attention to that.
My black girl Uschi has a small white spot on her chest and I am sure that she won't fade, lol. But I think that her little bit of white will stay which does not bother me. My youngest one, Viva also has a couple of white spots (foot and chest) and they are fading now. She is out of Czech and workinglines.
Chris

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