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by harryhenry on 11 April 2010 - 22:04
What would you do if you had a dog for over a year thats DNA test came back saying she wasnt from her parents? Please keep in mind this dog came from a very reputable Czech breeder with a website claiming to DNA all their dogs. Also I have put thousands of dollars into training this animal over the past year. What would you guys and girls do if this was you?
by Red Sable on 11 April 2010 - 23:04
I guess it depended what I wanted to do with the dog. If it was a pet and I really was happywith him/her, I probably wouldn't say anything. If I wanted this dog for breeding, I'd tell the breeder of my findings and ask what happend? 
Just curious Harry, ( I'd be harry too btw, if it was my dog) what made you do a DNA test?
Just curious Harry, ( I'd be harry too btw, if it was my dog) what made you do a DNA test?
by hodie on 11 April 2010 - 23:04
1. Are you certain you are reading the results correctly?
2. IF you are reading the results correctly, is there a possibility that results somehow were mixed up in testing. Yes, it is unlikely, but possible. So my suggestion is to have the dog tested, by two different labs at the same time. It will cost you some bucks, but you must rule out any mistake in the results.
3. If the new results come back as they are now, where the dog is not from the breeding, then the breeder owes you an explanation. The obvious possibility is that there was more than one sire, unless you are saying both the sire and dam are not the parents of this dog you own.
4. The breeder would certainly have to explain this and make it right. However, just how that would be done in the Czech Republic is unknown. The question is whether to have any reason to doubt that the breeder was honest. This is something that could be a mistake on the breeder's part as if something like a pup was mixed with a different litter, although that sure seems unlikely.
5. That leaves the possibility of the breeder purposely deceiving you. And I guess I would want to know whether I can get the papers on the dog you own now and have put so much time and money into. If you cannot, depending on what your goal was, you probably should be compensated in some way. But, if the breeder decides not to cooperate, you won't be able to do much.
6. Do you speak Czech? If not, again, even if the breeder speaks English, I would hire a Czech translator to make certain there is no misunderstanding about who is saying what.
Certainly this is a sticky situation and it is hoped that this was an honest mistake with a second male involved.
Good luck and keep up posted. This is an interesting situation too, although I am sure you don't find it so.
2. IF you are reading the results correctly, is there a possibility that results somehow were mixed up in testing. Yes, it is unlikely, but possible. So my suggestion is to have the dog tested, by two different labs at the same time. It will cost you some bucks, but you must rule out any mistake in the results.
3. If the new results come back as they are now, where the dog is not from the breeding, then the breeder owes you an explanation. The obvious possibility is that there was more than one sire, unless you are saying both the sire and dam are not the parents of this dog you own.
4. The breeder would certainly have to explain this and make it right. However, just how that would be done in the Czech Republic is unknown. The question is whether to have any reason to doubt that the breeder was honest. This is something that could be a mistake on the breeder's part as if something like a pup was mixed with a different litter, although that sure seems unlikely.
5. That leaves the possibility of the breeder purposely deceiving you. And I guess I would want to know whether I can get the papers on the dog you own now and have put so much time and money into. If you cannot, depending on what your goal was, you probably should be compensated in some way. But, if the breeder decides not to cooperate, you won't be able to do much.
6. Do you speak Czech? If not, again, even if the breeder speaks English, I would hire a Czech translator to make certain there is no misunderstanding about who is saying what.
Certainly this is a sticky situation and it is hoped that this was an honest mistake with a second male involved.
Good luck and keep up posted. This is an interesting situation too, although I am sure you don't find it so.
by harryhenry on 11 April 2010 - 23:04
Sorry I meant Czech breeder in the USA. We told the breeder when we got her we wanted a personal protection dog and possible breeding dog.
by hodie on 11 April 2010 - 23:04
If the breeder is in the US, then your case, should you have to go to court for redress of this situation, will be much easier. The question is whether you have a contract? If the breeder is reputable, he/she should be very embarrassed something like this has happened, unless again they are dishonest.
Have you talked to the breeder about this? I would suggest that, but I would also retest especially if you have a contract that says the dog is from X sire and Y dam and is not from one or both.
Have you talked to the breeder about this? I would suggest that, but I would also retest especially if you have a contract that says the dog is from X sire and Y dam and is not from one or both.
by harryhenry on 12 April 2010 - 01:04
The breeder says that if we fix her that either we will get a new puppy, or we will get our money back plus the cost of shipping. The breeder feels as though she is doing us a favor, because "she does not offer to give people their money back." It is actually insulting, when we purchased the dog we expressed that we would be working her, to recieve as many titles as possible,( the breeder was extremely happy we would continue to work her) now if we do not have her registered, the breeder herself stated she is now "worthless". The purchase price was for full akc registration, we did not just purchase her for a household pet. I does not make any sense, that she would expect that to be fair.
So if we took another puppy, then we would need to pay for more shots, xrays for when we want to breed that new one, training in order to get her to the level that the current dog is, in addition to the cost of getting the first dog fixed.- not to mention all the registration fees and such. So in turn because of a mistake that we did not make it would end up costing us more money and it would just be a hole in her reputation.
The contract we have states that the dog we purchased is from x sire and y dam, in which the situation we are in now, could cause the contract to be voided, since the puppy we recieved in not from such. In addition the contract does not state anything in the case that a DNA test would come back from the correct parentage. The only guarentee is that if her hips fail, we were to fix her, and we would recieve another puppy.
We feel as we are getting completely screwed over. We did a DNA test to have everthing in line for when we would have bred her. We were trying to be completely responsible as dog breeders. We opened a can of worms as the breeder told us, obviously since there were 9 puppies in the litter, and now AKC is contacting all the are registered concerning this issue.
In our eyes this was a transaction of a sale, in which we were decieved not only was the sale possible fraudulent but the breeder knowingly or unknowingly has caused us monetary damages as well as a "defective" dog. ---- defective in the term that the dog cannot be registered as of right now.
So if we took another puppy, then we would need to pay for more shots, xrays for when we want to breed that new one, training in order to get her to the level that the current dog is, in addition to the cost of getting the first dog fixed.- not to mention all the registration fees and such. So in turn because of a mistake that we did not make it would end up costing us more money and it would just be a hole in her reputation.
The contract we have states that the dog we purchased is from x sire and y dam, in which the situation we are in now, could cause the contract to be voided, since the puppy we recieved in not from such. In addition the contract does not state anything in the case that a DNA test would come back from the correct parentage. The only guarentee is that if her hips fail, we were to fix her, and we would recieve another puppy.
We feel as we are getting completely screwed over. We did a DNA test to have everthing in line for when we would have bred her. We were trying to be completely responsible as dog breeders. We opened a can of worms as the breeder told us, obviously since there were 9 puppies in the litter, and now AKC is contacting all the are registered concerning this issue.
In our eyes this was a transaction of a sale, in which we were decieved not only was the sale possible fraudulent but the breeder knowingly or unknowingly has caused us monetary damages as well as a "defective" dog. ---- defective in the term that the dog cannot be registered as of right now.
by Uber Land on 12 April 2010 - 01:04
is it possible to find who are actual parents are and reg. accordingly?
was both parents DNA wrong? or just the sire?
if both were wrong, sounds like the breeder doesn't spend much time in the kennel and know her dogs well. or a bitch stole a pup from another bitch without the breeder knowing. I've had a couple puppy stealers, but I never allowed them near each others litters. I've even had a male who would steal puppies and clean them ect like he was their mother.
was both parents DNA wrong? or just the sire?
if both were wrong, sounds like the breeder doesn't spend much time in the kennel and know her dogs well. or a bitch stole a pup from another bitch without the breeder knowing. I've had a couple puppy stealers, but I never allowed them near each others litters. I've even had a male who would steal puppies and clean them ect like he was their mother.
by Psycht on 12 April 2010 - 01:04
Well it appears that you want the breeder to pay for damages in regards to this. If this is the case, a better use of your time would be finding a lawyer instead of asking for opinions in an online community.... The AKC could very well nail the breeder for poor record keeping etc but that is not going to do anything for you and I doubt the breeder is going to volunteer to refund you what you are out in training of the dog.
How old is the dog? To have put thousands of dollars in a year into training it I assume that it was an older dog when you got it?
How old is the dog? To have put thousands of dollars in a year into training it I assume that it was an older dog when you got it?
by NoCurs on 12 April 2010 - 01:04
You paid for a dog from Parent A and B. She failed to deliver that. There is no way she could do that without being fraudulant. She was hoping you would not find out. Get a lawyer. I'd be pissed. What state is this breeder in?
by BlackthornGSD on 12 April 2010 - 03:04
The contract we have states that the dog we purchased is from x sire and y dam, in which the situation we are in now, could cause the contract to be voided, since the puppy we recieved in not from such. In addition the contract does not state anything in the case that a DNA test would come back from the correct parentage. The only guarentee is that if her hips fail, we were to fix her, and we would recieve another puppy.My understanding is that this wouldn't void the contract, but that the seller would be in breach of contract, thereby failing to fulfill the terms of the contract and probably at least owing you the payment on the dog back. But really, you'd need to talk with a lawyer, I'd think.
What did the breeder say when you said the DNA test said the "parents" weren't the parents?
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