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by Ibrahim on 16 March 2010 - 19:03

This is a theoretical question in order to understand effect of parents and ancestors on a dog.

Father is Quanto line from his father side
Mother is Canto line from her father side


Son dog is line bread on   LLL dog which is in turn line bred on Mutz


What is the theoretical contribution %age of each (father, mother, Quanto, Canto, LLL and Mutz) on the Son dog??? Which one has most contribution to the Son dog and which one has the minimum contribution to the Son dog?


Regards

Ibrahim

Lief

by Lief on 16 March 2010 - 21:03

Hi Ibrahim   theoretically you would have countless potential  combinations within a litter or even repeat breedings, There is a very prominent prepotent racehorse named Mr Prospector his parents were bred 3 times prior to producing him and they were all duds. Fourth time was the charm and all the stars were lined up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Prospector this is an interestimg article about breeding www.spanielsinthefield.com/spaniel-breeding-01.asp

by Abhay on 16 March 2010 - 21:03

Every canine gets 50% from their dam, and 50% from their sire, unless the dog is line bred or inbred, off the sire or dam. The percentage of pedigree statistics beyond that depend on every dog in the ped. Line breedings and inbreedings will have a higher percentage. Below is an APBT pedigree. You can click on the "pedstats", at the top of the ped to get an idea of how it works.

www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php






Lief

by Lief on 16 March 2010 - 21:03

Hi Abhay    it would be easier to read if they used the universal method of stating the linebreeding or in the case of that dog fairly heavy inbreeding

by Abhay on 16 March 2010 - 21:03

The OP asked about percentages.
www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php

Below are the % stats, for a dog bred tight off his sire. In this ped, the grandsire is given a higher % than the dam.
In this case, the dog was a clone of said grandsire.
www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php


by Ibrahim on 16 March 2010 - 22:03

Lief,

Thanks for the input, I understand the actual might be variables but I was looking for for mere theoretical effect (contribution) just as explained by Abhay.

Abhay, Lief

Thanks Abhay for the example, just want to make sure, the software you are using looks to me like a calculator, it gives more points to nearer dogs and less to further back ones, correct? then it gives added points to repeated dogs in addition to their origional location value points, correct? If this application theory is correct then Quanto, Canto, Mutz etc have diminished effect on our present GSDs, correct? As if we have at present non related dogs to the founder ones !!!

Thanks
Ibrahim

by Abhay on 16 March 2010 - 22:03

Ibrahim, Isn't that fairly realistic?  IMO the first 4 gens back are the most important by far.  Look what can happen to, two great dogs in 4 generations of breedings done in the wrong hands.  The human equation could ruin any breed in 4 gens.

by Ibrahim on 16 March 2010 - 22:03

Abhay,

Thanks a lot, I got my question answered loud and clear (theoretically) as variables are huge in actuality as said by Lief, thanks a lot.

Ibrahim





 


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