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by dcacgsd on 22 February 2010 - 17:02
I know that some GSD's mature slower than others and that some that dont have much drive for sport as a young pup/young adult may and often have had their drive come out once they have matured. I have read how some dogs drives really came out once they hit 3yrs old and the dog was like a totally different dog drive wise.
What I was wondering is if a pup has no interest in a ball(ball drive) will or can the owner bring this out in the pup/dog? Is ball drive something that the pup/dog has or does not have? Would ball drive be different than toy drive or are they the same thing?
Has anyone had a pup/dog that had low or no ball drive that has done will in dog sport? Is it possible for a dog to do well in dog sport if they just have food drive(work for food reward as opposed to ball play, tugging ect)?
By ball drive, food drive, toy drive I mean the willingness for a dog to work or be trained because it knows its going to get that reward.
For instance, my dog is what I call ball crazy. She would play ball 24/7. She is always ready for ball play. While I can work/train her using food/treats as a reward, she will only work/train for so long for a food reward. Now when I use her ball as a reward she will work for as long as I want as long as I have her ball and she knows she will be rewarded with it in the end. Am I correct in that this would be considered ball drive?
I hope I explained what I am asking correctly. I guess the main thing I am wanting to find out is if a pup/dog does not show much interest in balls , will/can this come out as the dog matures?
Donna
What I was wondering is if a pup has no interest in a ball(ball drive) will or can the owner bring this out in the pup/dog? Is ball drive something that the pup/dog has or does not have? Would ball drive be different than toy drive or are they the same thing?
Has anyone had a pup/dog that had low or no ball drive that has done will in dog sport? Is it possible for a dog to do well in dog sport if they just have food drive(work for food reward as opposed to ball play, tugging ect)?
By ball drive, food drive, toy drive I mean the willingness for a dog to work or be trained because it knows its going to get that reward.
For instance, my dog is what I call ball crazy. She would play ball 24/7. She is always ready for ball play. While I can work/train her using food/treats as a reward, she will only work/train for so long for a food reward. Now when I use her ball as a reward she will work for as long as I want as long as I have her ball and she knows she will be rewarded with it in the end. Am I correct in that this would be considered ball drive?
I hope I explained what I am asking correctly. I guess the main thing I am wanting to find out is if a pup/dog does not show much interest in balls , will/can this come out as the dog matures?
Donna
by michael49 on 22 February 2010 - 17:02
Try using two people ,play a short game of keep away with the pup, sometimes the drive will kick in if the pup sees he has to work to get the ball or toy.Much more interesting for him then just tossing the ball
by dcacgsd on 22 February 2010 - 17:02
Thanks, Michael49!
I am just seeking information, is all. I dont have a pup /dog with this issue but your suggestion might help someone else who has this issue with their dog.
Donna
I am just seeking information, is all. I dont have a pup /dog with this issue but your suggestion might help someone else who has this issue with their dog.
Donna
by judron55 on 22 February 2010 - 18:02
How old is puppy? There is actually no such thing as ball drive...prey drive is what it is! Try another object...rag...tug...etc. Try sitting on the ground and engage the pup in play.
ron
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by beetree on 22 February 2010 - 18:02
Oh no, I never told him there is no such thing as ball drive! LOL
by happyday on 22 February 2010 - 19:02
I have a female that did not have alot of any kind of drive when she was little. She is now two and has developed drive. It was hard to find something that she was interested in. I have worked my a## off trying to "build" that drive and frankly wouldn't do it again. She has matured and really isn't the same dog. But I can't say that she has turned into some kind of dynamo... Her drive is better than it was when she was 3 months old - but it still is what it is....
She didn't like balls at all at first. but she will play two ball now. I want to say her prey drive is high - cause if it is moving - she is after it. But it is what it is. When it stops moving - she goes smells the flowers instead...... I have every kind of toy under the sun - and it has taken alot of hard work "on my part" to get her interested in anything.
I think dog's with low drive can do schutzhund - or any kind of work - but it is so much easier to train a dog with great prey drive... It is more rewarding as well. As far as the doing well in the sport - I have only been in the sport for a couple of years and I started with Her. I am not going to be standing on the WUSV podium anytime soon...lol
People said she wouldn't do anything so get another dog... Well I got another dog - but I persisted with her and she has turned out to be better than anybody gave her credit for... She was and is a learning experience for me and I embrace that and plan on getting her as far as she can go...
Happyday
She didn't like balls at all at first. but she will play two ball now. I want to say her prey drive is high - cause if it is moving - she is after it. But it is what it is. When it stops moving - she goes smells the flowers instead...... I have every kind of toy under the sun - and it has taken alot of hard work "on my part" to get her interested in anything.
I think dog's with low drive can do schutzhund - or any kind of work - but it is so much easier to train a dog with great prey drive... It is more rewarding as well. As far as the doing well in the sport - I have only been in the sport for a couple of years and I started with Her. I am not going to be standing on the WUSV podium anytime soon...lol
People said she wouldn't do anything so get another dog... Well I got another dog - but I persisted with her and she has turned out to be better than anybody gave her credit for... She was and is a learning experience for me and I embrace that and plan on getting her as far as she can go...
Happyday
by Prager on 22 February 2010 - 21:02
Use a horse whip. NO!!! Not to beat the dog! Tie a cotton sock on the end of it and go fly fishing the pup. To and fro. Whip it in front of the pup, just out of reach and then jerk it back . Back and forth again and again. When the pup chases it. Run the toy around you in a circle> When he grabs it, pull on it for a while and then let him win. Dog must always win. Start at 6 weeks. Ease off during teething, but do not stop. This works on any beginner. There are other steps after this. But this is how you start.
If you do not develop prey drive. The dog will loose it.
P.S. Please do not call it "Ball drive" same way you do not call it a chicken drive when the dog chases chicken.:)
It is a "prey drive" whose part is "chasing reflex".
Prague Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
If you do not develop prey drive. The dog will loose it.
P.S. Please do not call it "Ball drive" same way you do not call it a chicken drive when the dog chases chicken.:)
It is a "prey drive" whose part is "chasing reflex".
Prague Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by happyday on 22 February 2010 - 23:02
I used the same technique but I just used a fishing pole..... here is a video of my male using that fishing pole....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8sn6lP6f7w
my female liked it as well. Good advise Prager...
Happyday
by Mystere on 23 February 2010 - 03:02
I used not a horse whip, but the long whip from a tack shop. I forget the correct name (lunge?). But, it is very long, as is the whip portion.
by TessJ10 on 23 February 2010 - 16:02
"Longe"
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