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by 1doggie2 on 15 January 2010 - 16:01
by beetree on 15 January 2010 - 16:01
Okay just for the sake of discussion... the contaminant is salmonella. This is not such a concern for the dogs because they will eliminate the salmonella before the symptoms can get started, unlike us humans. Is this not correct, because that is the reason I understand it being okay to feed raw eggs?
by CrysBuck25 on 15 January 2010 - 16:01
That's why I don't buy dog treats!
Crys
Crys
by 1doggie2 on 15 January 2010 - 17:01
Beetree, common sense tells me, if the dogs did not get sick, they would not recall it. No way they want to endure the cost and the reputation buster. I am not being "cheeky" just putting 2 and 2 together.
by hodie on 15 January 2010 - 17:01
It is simply incorrect to think that dogs cannot become ill from salmonella. They can, and sometimes, just as in humans, such infections are very serious.
Eating stool from another infected dog, feeding raw meats and improperly processed meat, eggs, pet treats, and meat allowed to thaw at room temperature are sources of contamination. Eggs and egg products are a concern because it can also end up inside the egg itself by passing through the shell.
The infectious dose to make another organism ill is very, very low, from 1-10 organisms. So it does not take much to make someone or a dog ill. Food with a high fat content may trap the organism and spare it from an otherwise acidic pH. The organism does best in pH ranges of 6.5-7.5, but does fine as well at lower pH. Infections can produce a carrier state, meaning that the host will shed salmonella for up to 5 months. It is not uncommon to test dogs and find they are carriers but are not symptomatic.
While it is true that the GI tract in dogs helps reduce the incidence of disease in dogs, it is not true that dogs cannot become ill. Especially in situations where dogs are very young, elderly or in stressful, crowded and unsanitary conditions there can be outbreaks. With higher infectious doses dogs can become very ill. Dogs can transmit it to humans who are not careful about hygiene and feeds can be contaminated too.
As an aside, in recent weeks, I tried to feed a cheaper food because I simply cannot afford Royal Canin anymore. Almost every single dog became ill, vomiting and having diarrhea. I will report this to the company who made the feed.
Eating stool from another infected dog, feeding raw meats and improperly processed meat, eggs, pet treats, and meat allowed to thaw at room temperature are sources of contamination. Eggs and egg products are a concern because it can also end up inside the egg itself by passing through the shell.
The infectious dose to make another organism ill is very, very low, from 1-10 organisms. So it does not take much to make someone or a dog ill. Food with a high fat content may trap the organism and spare it from an otherwise acidic pH. The organism does best in pH ranges of 6.5-7.5, but does fine as well at lower pH. Infections can produce a carrier state, meaning that the host will shed salmonella for up to 5 months. It is not uncommon to test dogs and find they are carriers but are not symptomatic.
While it is true that the GI tract in dogs helps reduce the incidence of disease in dogs, it is not true that dogs cannot become ill. Especially in situations where dogs are very young, elderly or in stressful, crowded and unsanitary conditions there can be outbreaks. With higher infectious doses dogs can become very ill. Dogs can transmit it to humans who are not careful about hygiene and feeds can be contaminated too.
As an aside, in recent weeks, I tried to feed a cheaper food because I simply cannot afford Royal Canin anymore. Almost every single dog became ill, vomiting and having diarrhea. I will report this to the company who made the feed.
by Nans gsd on 15 January 2010 - 21:01
This is concerning though, what about all the other Merrick products: dry dog foods, canned dog foods, etc.
by hodie on 15 January 2010 - 21:01
See notice from the Merrick web site below. Note, this is a VOLUNTARY recall and may be as much about contamination of equipment, packaging and other issues as any real threat of contamination of the product.
MERRICK NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: January 15, 2010
Customer Inquiries: 800‐248‐8397
Other Inquires: James Witcher, 806‐322‐2806
Merrick Pet Care Withdrawals 72 Cases of 10 oz. Beef Filet Squares Dog Treats
Item # 60016 / Lot Code “9323 best buy 111911”
Merrick Pet Care initiated a voluntary withdrawal of 72 cases of 10 oz. Beef Filet Squares from the market on January 11th, 2010 in cooperation with the FDA.
Upon notification from the FDA that this product may be contaminated with Salmonella, Merrick identified the 82 retail pet stores that may have received this product. As of Wednesday, January 13th, all Beef Filet Squares from this lot have been removed from the shelves.
Merrick has identified that 20 cases have not yet been recovered from retail and could be in consumers’ hands. Merrick advises all consumers to review the lot code stamped on the top of the bag and to dispose of any Beef Filet Squares from lot “9323 best buy 111911.”
Merrick is the leading producer of natural pet treats in North America producing treats since 1983. A family owned business, Merrick is committed to producing natural, wholesome treats for dogs.
MERRICK NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: January 15, 2010
Customer Inquiries: 800‐248‐8397
Other Inquires: James Witcher, 806‐322‐2806
Merrick Pet Care Withdrawals 72 Cases of 10 oz. Beef Filet Squares Dog Treats
Item # 60016 / Lot Code “9323 best buy 111911”
Merrick Pet Care initiated a voluntary withdrawal of 72 cases of 10 oz. Beef Filet Squares from the market on January 11th, 2010 in cooperation with the FDA.
Upon notification from the FDA that this product may be contaminated with Salmonella, Merrick identified the 82 retail pet stores that may have received this product. As of Wednesday, January 13th, all Beef Filet Squares from this lot have been removed from the shelves.
Merrick has identified that 20 cases have not yet been recovered from retail and could be in consumers’ hands. Merrick advises all consumers to review the lot code stamped on the top of the bag and to dispose of any Beef Filet Squares from lot “9323 best buy 111911.”
Merrick is the leading producer of natural pet treats in North America producing treats since 1983. A family owned business, Merrick is committed to producing natural, wholesome treats for dogs.
by TessJ10 on 15 January 2010 - 22:01
"if the dogs did not get sick, they would not recall it."
Sometimes the recalls are made lest PEOPLE get sick. Yes, dogs are quite resistant to salmonella. Of course they can get sick from it, but often the concern is people, since we are not so resistant.
And as hodie points out, this is a voluntary, preventive recall hopefully before someone (dog or person) becomes ill.
Sometimes the recalls are made lest PEOPLE get sick. Yes, dogs are quite resistant to salmonella. Of course they can get sick from it, but often the concern is people, since we are not so resistant.
And as hodie points out, this is a voluntary, preventive recall hopefully before someone (dog or person) becomes ill.
by prcabulrid on 15 January 2010 - 22:01
dogs dont get food poisoning which is also known as salmonella or even clostridium botulinum dogs do not get either of these
now as for the treats causing sickness, they very well may cause sickness but it aint cause of food poisoning
now as for the treats causing sickness, they very well may cause sickness but it aint cause of food poisoning
by hodie on 15 January 2010 - 22:01
PRCABULRID you are absolutely incorrect. Dogs get salmonella, are carriers of it sometimes, and can certainly also contract botulinum. Check your references.
Recalls are often made on a voluntary basis and for a variety of reasons. In this case, apparently there have been no cases of sick dogs. As is often the case, such cause and effects can be very difficult to prove anyway.
Recalls are often made on a voluntary basis and for a variety of reasons. In this case, apparently there have been no cases of sick dogs. As is often the case, such cause and effects can be very difficult to prove anyway.
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