How many breeders do this? - Page 1

If you have a top dog in Sch.  and he's really great but is a Cryptorchid would you still breed him.  Honestly
Don't think I'll get many truthfull responses but I just thought I'd throw it out there.   Let's see.

NOPE wouldn't breed him.I'm not a breeder but as a vet tech I would have to say no.Plus in SchH if you are going to go to high levels they have to get a KKL and the judge is going to see that he is crypt and that isn't good.Plus any one that breeds to IMPROVE the GSD shouldn't breed a crypt. Just my 2 cents.

http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/diseasesandconditions/f/FAQ_cryptorchid.htm

"People often wonder why animals that are cryptorchid need to be neutered. The reason is two-fold. Animals that are cryptorchid may still be fertile, especially if unilaterally (one-sided) cryptorchid. Cryptorchidism is a known heritable trait. This condition is more common in some breeds, but seen in all breeds and is passed on from father to (male) offspring.

In addition to the heritability aspect, the testicle (or testicles) that remain in the abdomen are more prone to cancer or torsion (twisting and cutting off blood supply)."
Just some info for you.....and anyone else.

I'm just asking.  I didn't really think I'd get an honest answer from breeders.   I wouldn't breed my male if he was a crypt.  I know all the reasons, just wanted to see if any one would step forward and say "yes, he's a great dog and I"m going to continue to breed hem not matter because they don't throw that all the time.

It's not right for the breed, but it does happen.  No way to really tell how many breeders do this since I wouldn't expect many to have the moxie to admit it if they were doing it.

Oh wait... maybe the second one is just "really really small"  LOL

No way.  I'm not sure a lot of them would ever end up being top SchH dogs because the breeders will know they're a cryptorchid as a pup and usually sell them to a pet home.  Besides, you're not going to get a breed survey, the pups can't be SV registered so that in itself would stop any reputable breeder.

Eric vom Sportpark

"Plus in SchH if you are going to go to high levels they have to get a KKL and the judge is going to see that he is crypt"

Eric vom Sportpark - Bundessieger 2009
has 1 testicle, has never been bred and has gone all the way to the top of the podium, obviously has no breed survey. The owner cannot breed the dog and has no problem that a dog of this high quality cant be bred.

Breed surveys have nothing to do with performance events. Ergo, Erich (and others) can excell on the trial field as cryporchids. It is only in the show arean, and then only after age 3.5 that a breed survey is required for the higher level of achievement ( V and VA).

From what I have read this is passed by the males and females in a litter where  this occurs.If in fact this is true do you prohibit the breeding of the entire litter? What about previous litters from the same breeding where it didn't occur,present but not pronounced, should these progeny be flagged as carriers? Do you breed enough litters with different sires and dams to isolate the carrier? I see this as a problem that will be with the breed for  eternity with no real hope or means to eliminate it. Some will breed regardless , some will do so unknowingly by breeding carriers that are not pronounced.I believe that there needs to be some studys done in this field by breeding carriers both male and female to see what the percentage is and if carried by both sexes.Obviously this would have to be done for several generations to get the statistics needed, but I see this as the only way to get a better understanding of this fault and how it is passed from one generation to another.So in a sense my answer to this question is yes,I think it should be done in a controlled breeding program where all the progeny are sterilized except the ones used for breeding in such a program.I don't see any other way to understand how and when this occurs, and if both sexes pass it to their offspring.Maybe this has already been done,I don't know but I've never read or heard of it. I would be very interested in the results if anyone knows of such a study.

JRANSOM, To answer your question directly.If I were a young man with a lot of years left to pursue such a breeding program I would do so, but only for the reasons outlined above.