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by Mindhunt on 15 February 2010 - 12:02
Steve1, I have a friend from Belgium, he is a special investigator for NATO, fun guy. Sometimes this country gets things bass-akwards, drive me nutts, but then again, my family and friends say I'm a little nutts to begin with (LOL). Hope you make it here and have fun when you do !!!!!
Tuff, that's a necropsy not autopsy even though they are the same things
. I do wish there were more answers.
Tuff, that's a necropsy not autopsy even though they are the same things
. I do wish there were more answers.
by Bob-O on 15 February 2010 - 16:02
Steve, I do agree that it is a strange thing for one from western Europe to need to obtain a visa to visit the U.S.A. - especially one from a country that was never part of the Soviet Bloc or the Warsaw Pact. We Americans do not need them to travel to western Europe unless we plan to visit France. I guess the arguments over our participation in the Indochine war were never settled to suit them. Perhaps the ghost of Charles de Gaulle is still pissed off at the ghost of John F. Kennedy - who knows?
It reminds me of some years ago when extended members of my German family wanted to visit and stay with us for a while for some vacation in the U.S.A.. They were fresh from the former DDR and the man of the family had been very active in the "Party" while the "Party" was the only game in town. Although he saw his new life in the new Germany as the way it should have been all along (with a few regrets of course), I remember very well telling him and his wife that they must NEVER disclose the fact about their "Party" membership to anyone before or after their visit here. As far as I was concerned it was just too risky and they could have been denied a visa. We all grew up during the years of the Cold War, and you did as well. Our generation remembers well the grief of those times.
But it has always seemed strange to me apropos which nationalities must obtain a visa to visit the U.S.A. and which ones do not. But that is the way it is. We are FINALLY requiring improved documentation (passports, etc.) instead of mere birth certificates or other forms of identification to cross the borders between Canada, the U.S.A., and Mexico. That guarantees little improvement in security, but passports, et al are more difficult to forge.
The incidents of 11, September 2001 resulted in at least a partial and very aggravating infringement of many of our methods of travel to and from the U.S.A. with obviously no enhancement (my opinion here) in our national security. Trust me on this one - we do not like it either but we must deal with it until it is resolved. Since we are still dealing with much of the ideology of the Cold War days I do not think it will be resolved in my lifetime. Just the way it is, unfortunately.
Best Regards,
Bob-O
It reminds me of some years ago when extended members of my German family wanted to visit and stay with us for a while for some vacation in the U.S.A.. They were fresh from the former DDR and the man of the family had been very active in the "Party" while the "Party" was the only game in town. Although he saw his new life in the new Germany as the way it should have been all along (with a few regrets of course), I remember very well telling him and his wife that they must NEVER disclose the fact about their "Party" membership to anyone before or after their visit here. As far as I was concerned it was just too risky and they could have been denied a visa. We all grew up during the years of the Cold War, and you did as well. Our generation remembers well the grief of those times.
But it has always seemed strange to me apropos which nationalities must obtain a visa to visit the U.S.A. and which ones do not. But that is the way it is. We are FINALLY requiring improved documentation (passports, etc.) instead of mere birth certificates or other forms of identification to cross the borders between Canada, the U.S.A., and Mexico. That guarantees little improvement in security, but passports, et al are more difficult to forge.
The incidents of 11, September 2001 resulted in at least a partial and very aggravating infringement of many of our methods of travel to and from the U.S.A. with obviously no enhancement (my opinion here) in our national security. Trust me on this one - we do not like it either but we must deal with it until it is resolved. Since we are still dealing with much of the ideology of the Cold War days I do not think it will be resolved in my lifetime. Just the way it is, unfortunately.
Best Regards,
Bob-O
by tntk9 on 15 February 2010 - 17:02
HTHs you did not read the article correctly. The officer's wife was inside and came out and realized the dog was gone. The dog was by itself outside and she was inside that is unattended.
All of us that are dog owners/handlers have a responsibility to protect our dogs and the public.
The cost of a k9 is a substantial amount and a GOOD kennel is a small price to pay so tragic situations like this can be avoided.
Slam if you need help building a proper/ secure kennel let me know i would be happy to send any information.
All of us that are dog owners/handlers have a responsibility to protect our dogs and the public.
The cost of a k9 is a substantial amount and a GOOD kennel is a small price to pay so tragic situations like this can be avoided.
Slam if you need help building a proper/ secure kennel let me know i would be happy to send any information.
by Slamdunc on 15 February 2010 - 18:02
tntk9,
Slam if you need help building a proper/ secure kennel let me know i would be happy to send any information.
That would be great, I'm having some trouble figuring out where to put the dog house. Should I put it next to the fireplace or next to the couch? I had to put the couch inside the kennel. It reminds me of my old Ice Hockey days being put in the penalty box. Should I use shade cloth on top or build a roof like I have over my other kennels?
My point earlier was that thisis a sad and tragic story. I'm willing to bet many many more people get bit each year from labs running loose than Police K9's. I think it is a relatively rare event that Police dogs get loose and bite someone. Not saying it doesn't happen, but 1 or 2 in 10 years in Virginia is pretty rare given the number of active and retired K9's in that state alone as mentioned earlier. When it does happen you usually find out pretty quick.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
by steve1 on 15 February 2010 - 18:02
Bob-O
I do understand the reasons why and i can see why the powers to be are a little more Careful after the last incident a short time ago, They of course meaning the airports dealing with passengers do not know who is who and must protect everyone as best they can for there are some evil people about as we know and to look at them know one would have any idea of there intentions, but it really is a long winded affair to get a Visa,
However i do not know if i will be coming over in May as yet it has not been verified, Plus i need information to put on forms which at presnt i do not have so i cannot even start to do anything but i have certainly looked into it fully
It would have been a treat to have at least seen a very small part of your country even if it was just for a weekend
Steve1
I do understand the reasons why and i can see why the powers to be are a little more Careful after the last incident a short time ago, They of course meaning the airports dealing with passengers do not know who is who and must protect everyone as best they can for there are some evil people about as we know and to look at them know one would have any idea of there intentions, but it really is a long winded affair to get a Visa,
However i do not know if i will be coming over in May as yet it has not been verified, Plus i need information to put on forms which at presnt i do not have so i cannot even start to do anything but i have certainly looked into it fully
It would have been a treat to have at least seen a very small part of your country even if it was just for a weekend
Steve1
by Bob-O on 15 February 2010 - 18:02
Steve, I think a good start would be here: http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/usv.shtm This may not be the exact page you seek but it will be a start. I have a German friend who is travelling here in April, and I can ask her what she had to do this time. She was here many years ago with a Student Visa and plans to visit soon for business and pleasure. I'll send her an email and send you a private message with her response. I presume that Belgian and German nationals have an identical requirement for obtaining a visa to the U.S.A.. The biometric scan is certainly a new requirement and I am sure there are many more.
When I came here in 1977 it was much easier - to say the least.
Jim, you are correct about your assessment of Labrador Retrievers. Because they are a very popular dog breed in the U.S.A. they have occassionally taken the (unfortunate) top position for the most dog bites. I tend to bring this up when people are trying to demonize our favourite breed as well as a few others.
The Labs are a well-accepted medium-to-large cuddly "family" dog with a decent disposition (just like a well-bred GSD or Belgian Malinois!) but they still have a large mouth full of teeth and some prey drive instinct remaining. They just do not make the news when they make a bite.
Best Regards,
Bob-O
When I came here in 1977 it was much easier - to say the least.
Jim, you are correct about your assessment of Labrador Retrievers. Because they are a very popular dog breed in the U.S.A. they have occassionally taken the (unfortunate) top position for the most dog bites. I tend to bring this up when people are trying to demonize our favourite breed as well as a few others.
The Labs are a well-accepted medium-to-large cuddly "family" dog with a decent disposition (just like a well-bred GSD or Belgian Malinois!) but they still have a large mouth full of teeth and some prey drive instinct remaining. They just do not make the news when they make a bite.
Best Regards,
Bob-O
by BabyEagle4U on 15 February 2010 - 18:02
I don't think there's gonna be an investigation on this one. It will prolly be settled out of a court too.
I know where I live, the property owner would have to want an investigation on the incident that took place on the property. That would be in this case, the Elizabethton Municipal Airport.
Knowing this, I really don't think they would want to take sides in the public's court. And in my opinion if they did, it would be conflict of interest right off the bat, to be honest. Beings the dog and the children were both on their property. They would have to take the side of child saftey or a dog safety (in this case a police dog) while off eithers property.
That's like man vs animal .. who can roam and who couldn't safely in public. In my opinion, no matter how the experts say this is a police state ... we an't that much a police state ... yet.
I dunno, but I'm glad the children were responsible enough to play their game with air soft gear on, I believe that in it's self was telling about this group of kids.
I dunno..... this whole incident and follow up like vanished.
I know where I live, the property owner would have to want an investigation on the incident that took place on the property. That would be in this case, the Elizabethton Municipal Airport.
Knowing this, I really don't think they would want to take sides in the public's court. And in my opinion if they did, it would be conflict of interest right off the bat, to be honest. Beings the dog and the children were both on their property. They would have to take the side of child saftey or a dog safety (in this case a police dog) while off eithers property.
That's like man vs animal .. who can roam and who couldn't safely in public. In my opinion, no matter how the experts say this is a police state ... we an't that much a police state ... yet.
I dunno, but I'm glad the children were responsible enough to play their game with air soft gear on, I believe that in it's self was telling about this group of kids.
I dunno..... this whole incident and follow up like vanished.
by CrysBuck25 on 15 February 2010 - 19:02
Darn!! I had a message all typed up and lost it.
Anyway, it was just a long winded thing addressing Steve's concerns that we are so paranoid we feel the need to be armed at all times.
I am not scared. I don't live my life in fear of being attacked by someone. But I still carry a pocket knife a lot of the time, a nice, heavy three inch folding knife with an ironwood and brass handle. I can't and don't take it into the Federal building, the ATF building, or the courthouses. But I carry it most other times. I don't look around and wonder who around me is waiting to hurt me, and I don't live on the edge of my seat. BUT...If someone broke into my home or threatened me or my children, you can bet I'll put a world of hurt on him, then I'll be kind enough, if he's still alive, to call 911 for him.
It's a nice thought to just call the police and let them deal with problems. But they don't usually get there until after the crime is done and the perpetrator is long gone, which precludes protection. So it falls to us to either be victims, or to stand up for ourselves. Police officers are sworn to protect and serve, but they aren't God...They can't be everywhere at once, and they can't get there in an instant.
Crime is a very real threat. Ask any police officer.
Crys
Anyway, it was just a long winded thing addressing Steve's concerns that we are so paranoid we feel the need to be armed at all times.
I am not scared. I don't live my life in fear of being attacked by someone. But I still carry a pocket knife a lot of the time, a nice, heavy three inch folding knife with an ironwood and brass handle. I can't and don't take it into the Federal building, the ATF building, or the courthouses. But I carry it most other times. I don't look around and wonder who around me is waiting to hurt me, and I don't live on the edge of my seat. BUT...If someone broke into my home or threatened me or my children, you can bet I'll put a world of hurt on him, then I'll be kind enough, if he's still alive, to call 911 for him.
It's a nice thought to just call the police and let them deal with problems. But they don't usually get there until after the crime is done and the perpetrator is long gone, which precludes protection. So it falls to us to either be victims, or to stand up for ourselves. Police officers are sworn to protect and serve, but they aren't God...They can't be everywhere at once, and they can't get there in an instant.
Crime is a very real threat. Ask any police officer.
Crys
by tntk9 on 15 February 2010 - 19:02
Slam i would put the dog house next to the fireplace that way you dont have to install his own heating unit and if the dog house has a flat top you can put the t.v. right on top.
I agree about the labs. There are too many people in this world that should not have dogs to begin with, in law enforcement or the private sector.
This is a tragic case and the dog paid with his life.
I agree about the labs. There are too many people in this world that should not have dogs to begin with, in law enforcement or the private sector.
This is a tragic case and the dog paid with his life.
by Davren on 16 February 2010 - 01:02
Jim,
When you finish the kennel in your living room, you might want to put a chain link fence around your bed as well, so the dogs can be secure when you go to sleep.
Just a thought. Hope all is well on the East coast and warmer than it is here!
A boy scout carrying a knife to be prepared at all times?? I know of youngsters being suspended from school for carrying a pocket knife. Life has changed since the terrorists attacks. That said, I agree with Bob-O about being heavily armed. All of my children know how and when to PROPERLY utilize a weapon. We live on a farm and they grew up utilizing guns, knives, matches...could be the making of a sociopath. LOL...So far, no violence, no irresponsible behavior. Of course, my son is just 16, guess he could still choose the wrong path; he did recently start splitting wood with an axe instead of the PTO driven wood splitter! He claims it is better exercise.
When you finish the kennel in your living room, you might want to put a chain link fence around your bed as well, so the dogs can be secure when you go to sleep.
Just a thought. Hope all is well on the East coast and warmer than it is here!
A boy scout carrying a knife to be prepared at all times?? I know of youngsters being suspended from school for carrying a pocket knife. Life has changed since the terrorists attacks. That said, I agree with Bob-O about being heavily armed. All of my children know how and when to PROPERLY utilize a weapon. We live on a farm and they grew up utilizing guns, knives, matches...could be the making of a sociopath. LOL...So far, no violence, no irresponsible behavior. Of course, my son is just 16, guess he could still choose the wrong path; he did recently start splitting wood with an axe instead of the PTO driven wood splitter! He claims it is better exercise.
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