USA "Loyalty Cards" - Page 8

Eric,

You bring up good points, but, both organizations have the similar clauses. Neither can be held accountable when they make mistakes that cost members thousands. Members are exposed to whims, uneducated rule interpretations and misinterpretations, etc. that arise from the complexity and differing interpretation of rules. The only way organizations can prevent their mistakes from costing them thousands right or wrong is to apply a first line of defense in the membership application.

There is a flip side to it also. If you are a member and the club decides to act upon a member, the member is subject to reimburse the club whatever costs are incurred.. You are limited as to what you can get from them but they are not limited to what they can get from you. You have no appeals process either.

And I'd be willing to bet that if the voting was held as a closed ballot instead of a "show of hands", all of the tallies would have been different.

Well Nia you have no problem bringing up everytime the WDA passes gas to the USA group. Of course because it's you there can be nothing but the most sincere reasons for offering the information I'm sure.

Keith Jenkins

So, what you are telling me is, if by my own misfortune I get put in front of an arbiter and said arbiter finds in my favor, I can get my monies paid for membership returned BUT, if I'm a member in good standing and I request a refund for being misled by the dreaded "bait and switch", I get nothing.  "Lyle" gets to keep my money and I have no recourse.  I DEMAND A TRIAL.  Send me to the arbiter so I can throw myself at the mercy of the court.  We renewed our membership in October under the pretense of following the rules and regulations of the "previous" USCA organization.  Then, after accepting our "donation", the rules and regulations were changed and not to our benefit and we can not get our money refunded??????  I guess if I were rude and obnoxious on the trial field and insulted the judge, I would stand a better chance of getting our money returned.  Does this make sense to anyone but Nia? 

This is the message I received from the USCA office today.

The new bylaw amendment change will effect you should you decide to renew your membership when it expires on October 1st, 2010. There are no refunds being issued to anyone. Should you like to discuss this matter further, please contact Lyle Roetemeyer the USA President.

Thank you

Pamela Niccum
USA Office Manager

And yes the breed has been spiraling downward for some time maybe you should talk to the folks that claim 100 years in the german shepherd world other then the S.V. you know the one I think it is the GSDCA if i,m not mistaken.

Bob, you want to blame the GSDCA and WDA for the shit that is out there?  Maybe you should watch the You Tube videos of the bitework at the USA Sieger Show, with the bitework being judged by the USA director of judges.  There's a real USA bench mark for the breed.

 

Finally made my decsion - after 11+ years and particpating 10 to 1 in USCA venues and donations , notified the office of my non- renewal and the club I was forming as a USCA club is now a WDA club - got approval yesterday for OG-Kansas City -
My decision came down to club historical financial stability, clubs mentally secure enough who were not demanding that I could only belong to one club, and the ability to have a one vote per person rather than a club vote.  Also being able to vote by mail in ballot is a plus and it will not cost travel expense to vote and have it count.

USCA has been a good club but with its own problems.  GSDCA and WDA have their problems too - however its more of an even playing field and individuals have a voice.  So one membership I won't have, but will continue with GSDCA, WDA, DVG etc.  and no I won't be backdooring particpation in USA events through my DVG membership - just not right for my dollars in any way to go to USA.
 
WDA now has about 10 more clubs - 4 in this area alone and evidentially more in other areas also - see the facebook page at  http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=183553415442&ref=ts  Looks like LA, Georgia, Arkansas, also.  With more clubs, there will be more opportunities for trials, shows and koerings through WDA which just were not needed before the USCA bylaw amendments.  Looks like the amendments at USCA have given some growth to WDA. 

"Bob, you want to blame the GSDCA and WDA for the shit that is out there? Maybe you should watch the You Tube videos of the bitework at the USA Sieger Show, with the bitework being judged by the USA director of judges."

Thank you.

I,m just thanking the GSDCA for 100 years of influence... Whatch the bite work at ANY sieger show and you will see no one has the right to be proud.

And since it was brought up about the prestigous GSCDA being 100 years old The next closest might be the AKC? so it looks like the thanks should go to the GSDCA-AKC. 

No arguments about the USA SS bitework being "sad and depressing" - but it's no different at the NASS, OR at the German Seiger Show.  There are videos on Youtube of bitework at those events too, if you want to lose your lunch.

molly