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by Abhay on 15 February 2010 - 18:02
The APBT below was one of the roughest and toughest fighting dogs that ever lived. I doubt however, that any of the Gangbangers or Bodyduilders would take him over the freaks they have.
If one doesn't know who Fedor Emelianenko is, he doesn't look that impressive or act tough either.


by VomRuiz on 15 February 2010 - 19:02
Just because a dog has exaggerated features does not make it unsafe toward people. It has nothing to to with a fat head, and powerful jaws. Here are a few of my dogs from many years ago when my kids were growing up. They've all passed away to old age now, but not a single one ever attacked my children.







by VomRuiz on 15 February 2010 - 19:02

Stacy

by Jenni78 on 15 February 2010 - 20:02
Abhay, LOL. Your whole post had me laughing.
Very sad isn't it, when people ask us why we keep such dogs knowing their reputation? They know nothing of the dogs we keep. I would have no problem putting an HA Pit out of its misery if I couldn't guarantee 100% containment. Hell, even if I could, I might do it anyway.
I see the problem as having many layers. Not the least of which is breeding them with Molossers and other strange crosses, who HAVE been bred to have a genetic predisposition to be HA, and then calling them Pit Bulls. They are NOT Pit Bulls. That's like breeding a wolf with a GSD, then saying GSDs have bad temperament. Not fair. Some crosses simply shouldn't be done.
I wish I'd lived a few generations earlier; I think I missed out on the best dogs, but I can still select dogs who coincide with what the breed was meant to be. My ex had a really nice dog down from Corvino lines; he was leggy and a little tall, but a super nice dog. My current boy is very typical in terms of temperament; a little handler soft, perhaps, but super clear-headed, very tolerant of kids/babies, protective without being needlessly aggressive. He's small at 54lbs, as he's solid muscle, so he looks about the size of a 35-40lb dog. Very lean, not at all "impressive" from a gangbanger's perspective.
Interestingly, the point everyone misses, is that it's NOT the "game bred" dogs we have problems with! It's the genetic nightmares that are 100lbs and tip forward if they try to lift their heads too quickly. A clear headed game-bred Pit is one of the most trustworthy dogs out there, IMHO. Like correct GSDs, they are getting harder and harder to find due to f'd up selection criteria.
by tuffscuffleK9 on 16 February 2010 - 00:02
By the way on our local 6:00 News there was a News Flash that the owner of the reported "Pit Bull that mauled the 7 year old child to death may be brought up on manslaughter charges." I'll post a reply after the 10:00 News.
Reading the threads here are making wonder if I have rushed to judgment to categorize all "so called pits in the same group" What worries me is the numbers I see that appear to be in irresponsible hands. Goes back to the old saying "No Bad Dogs, JUST BAD OWNERS."
Maybe the thoughts of the "pits/catch dogs" of my childhood are getting to me!
Tuff
by tuffscuffleK9 on 16 February 2010 - 01:02

by Jenni78 on 16 February 2010 - 01:02
There is a large number in the hands of idiots, for sure, but the main thing is unless they do something wrong, you don't hear about it. You'll never hear about dogs like Abhay's, Stacy's, and mine (sorry if I forgot someone) because they aren't going to kill anyone (hope I didn't jinx us, LOL). They'll just live and die as boring old sweet pets. How is that newsworthy?
I have actually heard of news crews LEAVING a scene upon finding out that a mauling they thought was done by a Pit was actually another breed. The other breed wouldn't have made big news. That's better than the ones who say it was a Pit whether it was or not, I guess. I remember one not too long ago where the picture was as purebred a Labrador as I have ever seen, yet it was labeled a Pit Bull because it attacked a child. The picture was unbelieveable! I showed it to my dad, for objectivity, as he is by no means a dog expert. I didn't say anything; just handed him the story. He said "that dog has about as much Pit Bull in it as Widget does!" Widget is my Chihuahua.
I would loooove to be able to identify these dogs who get seized, labeled, and destroyed as Pits. I'd bet my last dollar a GOOD percentage are not Pits.
I put this test out on a forum once, and several animal control officers admitted to failing it miserably. Who do you think is responsible for stating what breed a dog is at the time of an incident?
Just for fun- take this and BE HONEST!!! about how you do. www.nokillnow.com/PitbullFindIT.html

by buckeyefan gsd on 16 February 2010 - 01:02
inarrowed to 3 and made alucky guess
the boerboel and rhodesian were damn close!
interesting
btw jenny i figured your guy to be less than 60 lbs
he is sharp
by Abhay on 16 February 2010 - 01:02
Dr. Lieberman was in with Mr. Swinford creating their big Crosses.
The late APBT legend, Pete Sparks, owned one of Lieberman's huge Bandogs.
Dr. Lieberman puts out the MartinsK9 Formula Dog Food in Glen Cove NY.

by Jenni78 on 16 February 2010 - 02:02
Abhay, I wondered if you would bring up Dr. Lieberman. A Bandog is a Bandog is a bandog though; don't call it an APBT (not saying these gentlemen do- just saying that many are mistaken for pure Pits)
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