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by oso on 29 March 2010 - 18:03
My last post somehow appeared in the wrong place, obviously i had not seen the new photo of the mother when I posted it. That makes more sense! And that pup looks like it will be quite dark. it will probably become lighter at around 3-4 months, then get darker again.
by Uber Land on 29 March 2010 - 19:03
doubt he will be a "black sable", most likely just be a dark patterned sable. I wouldn't expect to see a black sable, of the like of Czck male Frankie, out of a sable bitch who is soo light and a medium blanket blk/tan male.
replace dads black with sable coloring and thats probably what thepup will turn out to look like. the lighter pups will be similar to mom or a tad darker.
replace dads black with sable coloring and thats probably what thepup will turn out to look like. the lighter pups will be similar to mom or a tad darker.
by BlackthornGSD on 29 March 2010 - 19:03
I've always been curious about this....
This dog, Carly: castlebrookshepherds.net/Carly.html
She is a littermate to my working line dog (in my avatar pic): www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/401054.html
You can see my dog is a lighter, patterned sable. Both parents were sables, but the dog Carly above looks more black and tan (the other littermates I have seen are sables). Carly was bred with a sable male but some of her puppies look black and tan: castlebrookshepherds.net/Viho.html
I'm not sure what you're asking.
Carly = black and tan
Sable bred to sable can produce a black and tan, depending on what other genes the parents have. But if one sable is sable with a black and tan recessive and the other is sable with a black recessive, then approximately 25% of the puppies will be black and tan with the black recessive.
But you can't get a sable puppy out of 2 black and tan puppies--the gene just isn't there.
Christine
by VomMarischal on 29 March 2010 - 19:03
Do true bi-colors ever have light-ish undercoat?
by Uber Land on 29 March 2010 - 19:03
yes, I have had 2 bi-colors where the undercoat shown thru on the neck area, shoulders and legs.
by VomMarischal on 29 March 2010 - 20:03
OK thanks, Uber.
by SitasMom on 29 March 2010 - 20:03
"Could be a sable, but if so, may be with red markings and not grey."
bazza - I didn't say it WOULD be a sable, I said COULD........and that was without any photos.......I said it would have red marking and not grey.
Now that there are some corrected photos, I think 2 dark puppies will have the colorartion of its sire and the rest will have the dam's coloring.
bazza - I didn't say it WOULD be a sable, I said COULD........and that was without any photos.......I said it would have red marking and not grey.
Now that there are some corrected photos, I think 2 dark puppies will have the colorartion of its sire and the rest will have the dam's coloring.
by Liesjers on 29 March 2010 - 20:03
Sable bred to sable can produce a black and tan, depending on what other genes the parents have.
That's exactly what I was asking, thanks! I was wondering if sable dam + sable sire = always sable puppies.
by shostring on 29 March 2010 - 20:03
the pup looks red sable but the parents are not sable so one of the pictures for the parents must be wrong or the female mom has had a visitor sorry but you need one parent to have a sable or both parents sable to have sable pups
by Prager on 29 March 2010 - 21:03
Pup is "red" Sable.
Sable color in pups get always darker, other colors gets lighter. Thus pup is going to be very dark red sable.
There is no such thing as black sable.
Sable means that the undercoat is of different color then the black top coat.
Thus we have grey sable (my favorite), brown sable, red sable and so on. If the undercoat would be black, than the dog would be solid BLACK.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Sable color in pups get always darker, other colors gets lighter. Thus pup is going to be very dark red sable.
There is no such thing as black sable.
Sable means that the undercoat is of different color then the black top coat.
Thus we have grey sable (my favorite), brown sable, red sable and so on. If the undercoat would be black, than the dog would be solid BLACK.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
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