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by Slamdunc on 09 February 2010 - 15:02
Sheesh,
Good advice, right on.
Tess,
"bitting in prey drive is nice, but has she ever been put into defence drive for a bite?"
Do NOT put a soft dog (one who won't bite at all) into defense at this time!
You are absolutely correct, Tess. This is why people need to be so careful when asking for advice on the internet. The newcomers to the board do not know the experience level of some who may offer training advice. To tell a novice with a dog like this to push the dog into defense is really bad advice. To start, it's a good idea to know how to work a dog in prey and defense and understand the differences to the dog. Then it also helps to be have some actual experience working dogs in both drives to get a full understanding of the benefits and risks.
JMO,
Jim
Good advice, right on.
Tess,
"bitting in prey drive is nice, but has she ever been put into defence drive for a bite?"
Do NOT put a soft dog (one who won't bite at all) into defense at this time!
You are absolutely correct, Tess. This is why people need to be so careful when asking for advice on the internet. The newcomers to the board do not know the experience level of some who may offer training advice. To tell a novice with a dog like this to push the dog into defense is really bad advice. To start, it's a good idea to know how to work a dog in prey and defense and understand the differences to the dog. Then it also helps to be have some actual experience working dogs in both drives to get a full understanding of the benefits and risks.
JMO,
Jim
by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 09 February 2010 - 18:02
"We only do Sch. because she has to have it if we want to breed her"
There's a lot of other factors to consider a dog suitable for breeding other than a title. As some of the others said, not all dogs can do SCH; with that said, the dog that can't or won't excel in SCH may very well be great for other things such as obedience,agility, tracking ect. IMO when you attempt to force something, you're working counter productively.
It sounds like you could have done some things differently early on but then again we cant be for sure that would have changed the situation at hand much.
If SCH is something you want to pursue then perhaps looking for another prospect may be less frustrating?? Many people that are involved in dog sports don't even breed; they do it because they just enjoy it and the dog enjoys it. There's some things you can "fix" with training techniques and other things that can't be "fixed" once they've been broken. Having realistic expectations is important. Love your dog for what he/she is and find something he/she is good at that you both enjoy. If it's not SCH then so be it; there's lots of other things I'm sure your dog is good at.
There's a lot of other factors to consider a dog suitable for breeding other than a title. As some of the others said, not all dogs can do SCH; with that said, the dog that can't or won't excel in SCH may very well be great for other things such as obedience,agility, tracking ect. IMO when you attempt to force something, you're working counter productively.
It sounds like you could have done some things differently early on but then again we cant be for sure that would have changed the situation at hand much.
If SCH is something you want to pursue then perhaps looking for another prospect may be less frustrating?? Many people that are involved in dog sports don't even breed; they do it because they just enjoy it and the dog enjoys it. There's some things you can "fix" with training techniques and other things that can't be "fixed" once they've been broken. Having realistic expectations is important. Love your dog for what he/she is and find something he/she is good at that you both enjoy. If it's not SCH then so be it; there's lots of other things I'm sure your dog is good at.
by steve1 on 10 February 2010 - 13:02
Personally the writer of this thread has not got a clue about Dogs in general i have not gone through all the posts but one bit He or she put on here the Pup put her muddy paws on her, Bloody Hell what is this board coming to when you read rubbish like that How is a Pup going to know any different and then get punished for it the one writing is the one who should be punished
I tell you had you bit Gorans nose as a Pup or Izzys now you would have half your face missing and rightfully too what a load of bunkum is wrote here by this person, Best to give up Dogs and Train a Cat to take a Nap
Steve1
I tell you had you bit Gorans nose as a Pup or Izzys now you would have half your face missing and rightfully too what a load of bunkum is wrote here by this person, Best to give up Dogs and Train a Cat to take a Nap
Steve1
by Bob McKown on 10 February 2010 - 13:02
I agree Steve:
I can,t imagine biting one of my dogs on the nose for punishment It,s just crazy... Some times I wonder where people get it from?
I can,t imagine biting one of my dogs on the nose for punishment It,s just crazy... Some times I wonder where people get it from?
by beetree on 10 February 2010 - 14:02
Bob,
They get it from their mother's! It is old wive's lore that says to stop your toddler from biting, give them a bite back. I never did it with my kids, but there are lots that have and they swear it works. There is even a name for this type of parenting, I think Eliz. Hasselbeck even wrote a book with these type of parenting tips.
Not for me, but there you have it!
They get it from their mother's! It is old wive's lore that says to stop your toddler from biting, give them a bite back. I never did it with my kids, but there are lots that have and they swear it works. There is even a name for this type of parenting, I think Eliz. Hasselbeck even wrote a book with these type of parenting tips.
Not for me, but there you have it!
by Liesjers on 10 February 2010 - 14:02
Biting a dog on the nose? Not even sure how to picture that!
Anyway, what does your trainer/helper say about the dog's bitework?
Anyway, what does your trainer/helper say about the dog's bitework?
by windwalker18 on 10 February 2010 - 19:02
Try backing her up to puppy stages of building bite again, and be cautious about corrections. Perhaps a flirt pole (rag on the end of a rope will work also) to get her chaseing it?? Make it about play, not hardcore training so that grabbing the rag becomes fun again. Work up to tug of war, brief to start lots of "GOOD... GOOOD!!" and happy happy. If the drives are there they likely will resurface and need to be nurtured. As others have said she may just not have the attitude to bite and hold. I know that Ikon will almost drag me across the floor playing tug at 8 months.
by Keith Grossman on 10 February 2010 - 19:02
"Perhaps a flirt pole (rag on the end of a rope will work also)..."
I use a buggy whip with a piece of suede on the end.
I use a buggy whip with a piece of suede on the end.
by Elkoorr on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
does anyone else see a problem with the helper? already tried to work into defense with the yelling and stick hits and overpowered the dog. lots of damage done, try to find a different helper as well...
by MaggieMae on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
Maybe the dog doesn't want to be a Schutzhund dog....why try to make it into one? It has already clearly demonstrated that it is not interested. Kinda reminds me of parents who want to "push" their kids into something for their own self-gratification -- you know, like the "Stage Mothers" of the Little Beauty Queens / pushing kids into a sport the kid does not want to do / "dreams" of their kid being an Olympic Champion, and on and on. Geez...... The World does not revolve around Schutzhund........
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