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by GSDtravels on 13 March 2010 - 01:03

I cannot believe they have a "buyer beware" about purchasing from OTHER breeders! And please tell me what "perfect panda shepherd markings" are? Since the panda is NOT TO STANDARD, what litmus test is being used for markings? Or have they written their own standard? They need to put a "BUYER BEWARE OF US" post on this site!

by Lief on 13 March 2010 - 01:03

I'm not going to say anything else...someone stop me!!

but the head on that dog is not a GSD head?? that eyelid ? the thick muzzle ?? at the very least she looks goofy?? not look of eagles or whatever they call it

by GSDtravels on 13 March 2010 - 01:03

I think what you're seeing is more pronounced because of the blaze down the face. I know that can make a big difference in appearance, even in breeds that are suppose to have it. It can make the muzzle appear wider, longer, etc., depending on the placement. I've also seen eyes like that on poorly bred, normal colored GSDs, droopy is the best way to describe them. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a mix, but definitely not a good representative of the standard in any way, shape, form OR color.

by Luvmidog on 13 March 2010 - 02:03

Look at the dog in Lief's Avitar.. If you want to say that a thinner nose is good too...then the one in avitar has a different dimension but sure doesn't come any where near the look of the Collie extreme look of the Painted Pony!

Sorry, hope I don't offend anyone. But I have owned GSD for many years and even though until a couple of years ago, never had a real live one with good breeding from german stock. AND even the ones from 30 years ago didn't look like the one posted above of this discussion.

another opinion

by VonIsengard on 13 March 2010 - 03:03

I agree that there are dogs "in the ring" that in my eyes stray far from the standard, but using it to justify poor breeding practices is painfully transparent. Just because some people get by breeding crappy dogs doesn't make it right.

by TessJ10 on 13 March 2010 - 04:03

"here's a panda girl and a pedigree, dogs aren't soo obscure now are they?
http://www.kerstoneshepherds.net/females/vida.htm"

Yeah, actually, there's quite a number of obscure dogs in that pedigree. You think because you throw in some SchH dogs who are not obscure and produce something that doesn't look like a GSD at all, that you're producing quality German Shepherds? The dog in that photo can be a sweet and wonderful dog, but it looks nothing like a German Shepherd Dog.

by Lief on 13 March 2010 - 12:03

I dunno you guys can anyone show me a photo of another GSD with a prominent 3rd eyelid? and yes luvmydog your right!! it has a Collie type look to the head not just the thick muzzle but it has no stop on the head and rounded back skull I realize the markings but if you photoshopped the photo of that dog solid black it would not look like a GSD even the coat is not consistent with a coated GSD . AKC better wake up quick on this one and realize the integirty of the stud book or lack there of is why European countries look at us over here like we are complete idiots i really can't blame them poor Max von Stephenitz rolling over in his grave!!

by sueincc on 13 March 2010 - 17:03

Aren't the Panda Shepherd people trying to set themselves up as a different breed rather than just a rare color? They show in the "rare breed" classes don't they? So if they want to go off seperate from the GSD and be their own breed with a different name, like the Shiloh people have done, is there still an issue?

I just with the ASS breeders would follow suit.

by Lief on 13 March 2010 - 22:03

I truly do not believe there is a genetic basis for those ''St Bernard'' markings in the GSD just like there is no genetic basis for silver in Labradors .I could see if the dog where colored like a GSD but had an overabundance of white but those raccon eyes and distinct Tri coloring I mean C'mon And pray tell If they are touting that thing as cream of the crop I shudder to think of the rest of them

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