My girl won't bite. Any tips? - Page 3

No it is not a white gsd,,,gsdtravels..she stated to  Slamdunc ,,,she knows a lot about   german shepherd breeding  and training because they bred WHITE GERMANS for some sum of years....Slamdunc told her   not a breeding matter of gsd white...I was reiterating that the WHITE GERMAN is not related to her problem in any way..
Just because anyone breeds white shepherds   doesnt have a hill of beans to do with Schutzhund as most of the white cannot be used in this sport.....some can and have.......
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I know it isnt a white..she claimed the white thing not me...


YR

Are your warm>???? Urry has no electricity and expected to be out for   4  more days....he has a gas cook stove .....so making due...

No what I said is I DON'T know much about the German Shepherd because we breed (still are) WHITE SWISS SHEPHERDS.
But it is absolutely irrelevant.

And maybe it's just the trainer. 'Cause her sister lives with a WSS male bred by us, trained by
the same person;


Like I said, I don't know much about this. I am going to read the book, and ask for some more help.
I hope it'll work but it won't be the worst thing in the world. I love her anyway.

Charlotte

Yeah I'm all cozy in Holland. The only thing going on here is frozen waterpipes... Pretty nasty too, but not nearly as what you arein right now! Good luck over there!

Meant to be posted to another thread, sorry

I had a similar problem with my girl, and although I do not practice Sch with her (there are no clubs in my country), I did want to use a tug as a reward, and train in prey drive. My dog is submissive to me, and, unlike yours,  she's handler soft. I only need to look her in the eye and say no. She would never return a toy to me in my hand, instead she would drop it in front of me. However, she would bring it to my brother, who she had less respect for, or interaction with. I am a novice, and maybe I am wrong, but if your dog is like mine, and simply doesn't want to challenge you by holding on to a toy you are trying to claim then you may want to build her confidence in taking things from people. I started by holding her on leash and encouraging her to grab toys from my brother. Or even playing fetch with her while I am laying down, and have her come straight up to you and take the toy from her mouth. Don't look her in the eye when playing tug. I would also turn around as she returned toys when playing fetch just so she would come close enough to take the toy from her mouth. Tease her with the toy while she is tied, and when all that excitement has bulit, give her the bite, and hold on for increasing amounts of time. These are just things I did to improve on her. I partly wanted to share my experiences, and also wanted to hear more from everyone else as Slamdunc is on a role with advice here.

bitting in prey drive is nice, but has she ever been put into defence drive for a bite?

Charlotte,
Here are some things you can try but it will be a long process.  You and your decoy must be very patient.  first, you mentioned she gets wound up watching other dogs work.  I would tie her out while other dogs work and just let her watch.  Verbally praise her when she gets excited and barks.  Don't work her for the first few sessions just let her watch and get excited. 

Next if your club will allow, bring her on the field with another dog.  Both on lead and work both dogs together, just like in your picture above with the white GSD.  The dog that barks the most gets the bite on the tug.  If she drops the tug the decoy immediately takes it away and gives the other dog a bite.  The other dog then runs with the tug in a circle and your dog will get frustrated. 

I would work the dog in prey, with the tug attached to a long line again like in the picture.  Do not put this dog into defense at this point.  Try working in prey for a while.  The dog needs to learn it's ok to bite things and this is a fun game.  You may have to work the tug and have some one else hold the dog.  You can also start at home with a kong on a rope or a tug toy.  You have to make it the most fun game the dog has ever played.  This dog must be the only dog out when you play and confine the dog for an hour or so before the session.  Limit the dogs time with other dogs as well during the day.  When the dog drops the toy, quickly steal it away form the dog and tease the dog.  The game is tug of war and you must allow the dog to win.  You have to praise and encourage the dog when it is pulling hard and then let it win and praise again.  This will also take time.  Initially it may be that the dog holds the toy for a second, praise for this.  Then work on getting more. 

When you praise the dog you the same level of excitement as if the dog came home with a winning $1 million dollar lottery ticket in her mouth.  If that was to happen you'd be pretty excited right and you'd really praise your dog wouldn't you?  This is the level of excitement you need to bring to your training sessions.  So, start teaching your dog some new games where the dog always wins and really wants to play.

JMO FWIW,

Jim

BTW, that white Shepherd is gorgeous.  One of my all time favorite dogs was a White Shepherd that I owned.

Hi there! What is the living situation with your girl? Is she allowed to run with the other dogs and have a lot of free time to run about with lots of toys at her disposal? If so, this can be detrimental to drive building. It can create a lazy attitude, especially for a dog that doesn't have a ton of drive to begin with. Running with other dogs can also squash drive and confidence in a dog/pup that does not have the strongest personality. You may want to try crating her a lot- time out of the crate is either for bathroom breaks or to work with you, then she is back in her crate. This might help build frustration. Make your play time short- less than 5 minutes each time, and VERY positive and upbeat. FUN HAPPY- no corrections at all. She sounds like she needs to be built up. I would NOT begin any defense work at all either. Ideally,you MUST be able to take the pressure off through prey in a dog like this. If she doesn't understand the play/prey then this will be impossible. CRATE and very short FUN sessions! If there is something there to work with, you should be able to build on it this way. Good luck! Theresa

IMO, you have basically elimianted all drives for the work, I never correct young dogs for jumping on a man, why introduce confict, what does a sport dog do? He or she jumps at the man, biting her nose, what the hell? You might have got by with this on a hard, very high driven dog. There might be hope, but I doubt it. Good luck though, I would reconsider breeding her, ask your self, do you want to pass her level of drives onto another generation, which will more than likely be a watered down version of her.

You bite your dog on the nose for punishment??? and now wonder why she won,t bite??? are you for real???

Do the breed a favor, please don,t breed them...

"bitting in prey drive is nice, but has she ever been put into defence drive for a bite?"

Do NOT put a soft dog (one who won't bite at all) into defense at this time!