This is a placeholder text
Group text
by jletcher18 on 10 April 2010 - 03:04
its here.
http://www.servicedogassociation.com/knpvnlknpvusacom.html
john
http://www.servicedogassociation.com/knpvnlknpvusacom.html
john
by Prager on 11 April 2010 - 15:04
The problem is that all these "sports" are too complex and generally promote wrong things. At this time the sport is the best what we have,....it is better then nothing since there is nothing else.
Problems are:
1.It takes at least a 1 year to train a dog. Most people can not do it. Then they breed what ever they have without adequate test.
2.The sport is designed to promote ego of the handler or trainer. The abilities of the dog are only secondary. That is hurtful to the breed.
3. In order to succeed in the point 2. the training is then slanted to winning and not to proper development of the breed.
What needs to be done :
1. set basic tests any dog should be able pass without training in order to be recommended for breeding and any handler should be able to do with their dog without major special knowledge.
Test prey, defense/courage, tracking and herding. (Any or all)
2. Have pass vs don't pass evaluation. No points (as in original SchH) in order to avoid competitiveness between people/handlers/ trainers, which is not properly promoting the breed, but mostly an ego of the handler.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Problems are:
1.It takes at least a 1 year to train a dog. Most people can not do it. Then they breed what ever they have without adequate test.
2.The sport is designed to promote ego of the handler or trainer. The abilities of the dog are only secondary. That is hurtful to the breed.
3. In order to succeed in the point 2. the training is then slanted to winning and not to proper development of the breed.
What needs to be done :
1. set basic tests any dog should be able pass without training in order to be recommended for breeding and any handler should be able to do with their dog without major special knowledge.
Test prey, defense/courage, tracking and herding. (Any or all)
2. Have pass vs don't pass evaluation. No points (as in original SchH) in order to avoid competitiveness between people/handlers/ trainers, which is not properly promoting the breed, but mostly an ego of the handler.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by OGBS on 11 April 2010 - 18:04
Hans,
What I would like to see is more people training and trialing in a way you are very familiar with. The ZVV-SVV system.
I think that it would be easier to implement because it is not re-inventing the wheel. It is similar to Schutzhund, but, in my opinion, tougher at level two and three. Most importantly, it is something that will hold the trainers interest longer because of the lack of pattern training and more extensive tests. I believe it to be a better overall test of the dog. I am not looking to replace Schutzhund, but, I believe it would be nice to give dog owners something very similar to it, but, different and more realistic.
I feel that there are a lot of trainers here in the U.S. that get discouraged with Schutzhund because once they know enough about the sport they come to some realizations that include, they will never be able to compete at the highest level because of either themself, their dog, or both. I believe the Czech/Slovak system would give people another venue that would remain interesting and fun to both the handler and the dog.
I will email you about this. I am very serious about trying this, as are others that I have spoken to.
Any thoughts?
--Steve
What I would like to see is more people training and trialing in a way you are very familiar with. The ZVV-SVV system.
I think that it would be easier to implement because it is not re-inventing the wheel. It is similar to Schutzhund, but, in my opinion, tougher at level two and three. Most importantly, it is something that will hold the trainers interest longer because of the lack of pattern training and more extensive tests. I believe it to be a better overall test of the dog. I am not looking to replace Schutzhund, but, I believe it would be nice to give dog owners something very similar to it, but, different and more realistic.
I feel that there are a lot of trainers here in the U.S. that get discouraged with Schutzhund because once they know enough about the sport they come to some realizations that include, they will never be able to compete at the highest level because of either themself, their dog, or both. I believe the Czech/Slovak system would give people another venue that would remain interesting and fun to both the handler and the dog.
I will email you about this. I am very serious about trying this, as are others that I have spoken to.
Any thoughts?
--Steve
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top