DDR dogs - Page 2

For the record, I have no interest in bashing anybody by mentioning dogs by name. I'm just trying to keep the conversation theoretical. 

Vom,

I would most definitely say that a lot of the traits I desire come from the DDR/Czech lines.

Jenni,

Dont be so ruff. geez ms fiesty. haha.
Did I tell you Im waiting on a couple litters of Hans/Jiri's to pull my next female from? I still wanna make it up to see your dogs. Always good to meet the peoples dogs in our little niche. As it seems we are a dieing breed ourselves haha.

Hey, I can take it, I'm a big girl! No offense taken or meant! Also, what I meant is, how do you know the DDR-ness (whee, new word!) of the dog is the contributing factor and not the CZECH portion?

Vom Marischal Thats what i said in my post that the blood lines are so watered down and there are only a few dogs being the same in almost all the pedigree its hard to call them DDR.  I wish I could find that old look and drive today. The check dogs I have saw do not really resemble the old line dogs . Some of the check dogs are real leggy and have really long ears, These are 2 traits you never saw in old DDR dogs. Hey a good dog is a good dog no matter, its just so darn hard to find a good all-around dog of any kind. I now have a female with some DDR going back on Bronson and and some other DDR dogs but a lot of west german working and she may be one of the best females I have ever had. She has a super head for a female and excellent conformation for a workign dog and I love her even though she is out of control  LOL

Shadow failed miserably under Ron Gordon.  No drive he said.

After "special education classses" with Ivan Balabanov,



Does this look like a dud to you?  When North Bay Schutzhund Club members came to visit, they were shocked.

It was like pulling teeth to get him to bark on command, once we broke the ice, he was awesome.  When he did a bark and hold in the blind, he had a deep basso booming bark.  He never went shrill or jumped up and down, he was very very calm and he always looked the helper in the eye.  He had a very big crushing bite, he did out when I asked.

He was not flashy or hyper.  There were no helicopter catches.  No aerial displays, just a meat and potatoes dog.

One thing that Ivan did with him that was not expected, he made a point of cuddling with Shadow and he let him lick his face and sit on his lap. Very curious.

That was a long time ago.  I thought my dog was very mediocre because he was not like the other dogs.

Michele

Well if you run back to the seperation many of the dogs used to uphold the czech lines and produce diversification were pulled from ddr. So if you factor in 50-60 years of this. Which basically isnt far from When the ddr was founded. Where is the true distinct seperation of the two lines? In my eyes they are So wound up together there is little seperation. Especially after my conversation with Jiri Novotny(national breed warden of czech) with his commentary of there pulling of dogs from ddr while he ran the zPS kennel. Compounded on my thoughts. As the bred for the same qualities and traits. The zPS kennel has been famous for producing the top military and police working dogs and they often pulled studs from DDR.

So basically when i mention one i always include the other because i see very little distinction between the two.IMHO.

I'm with you, Wrestleman. And for now, I'm sticking with West German. I only outcrossed on a half-Czech dog to correct some issues such as oversize, which is kind of easy to get sucked into with West German dogs. But I can't find a single thing in DDR dogs that I want to add to my lines...I don't think there are very many of the real deal left, anyway. Certainly not in my neighborhood.

Yoshy, that's why I say that the dog I outcrossed on is only half Czech, even though he has a Czech pedigree.

To me, 60 years of breeding for separate purposes causes one hell of a separate line. As we all know, saying that your dog is a Fero grandson means squat, considering that there were 3 other grandparents in the mix. You gotta keep it as pure as Prager does to call it the real deal. You have to get your lines from a lot further back than 60 years of Berlin Wall. It's a freaking hassle to try to do, too. I think only two people on this board have pulled it off--I forget the other one's name, sorry!

Yoshy, you're welcome here anytime. I could use a decoy!  I have extra crates if you misbehave. ;-)

Was I harsh? I thought I was being me. I don't think VomMarischal took me personally...I wasn't being personal. Just relaying what I hear vs. what she perceived the problem to be.

Too bad we can't go back in time and meet some of these dogs that seem larger than life now. I bet we'd find out that they're ........................just dogs.

Pretty much, Jen.