American lines question - Page 2

Steph- I was wondering the same thing about typing the topic.I thought it might just be my computer or something.Guess not.I have just been copy/paste to the topic box.lol
The 20th cent. GSD isn't the most flattering. IMO I see what you mean Sunsilver of some of the proportions of the 2.

The SV has restrictions on the number of times a stud can be bred.

American lines are the results of extremism breeding where the emphasis was elegence of movement and aesthetic ratio, rather than functionality. The AKC standard presents what is considered desirable in an aesthetic sense, but does not impose a maximum on things like reach and angulation. The results are dogs that are essentially caricatures(sp?) of the standard. Remove any requirement for the dog to be physically required to perform in something like herding or schutzhund, or any working title, and the results is an extreme-type dog that may very well lack the structural integrity to accomplish the acts for which it was initially bred. This is a problem with other AKC-bred breeds, not just the GSD. Golden Retrievers, Irish Setters, and Border Collies also have distinct working and showline types that neither look, nor act, mush like each other. In terriers you have the AKC Parson Russell Terrier (bred for conformation) and the non-AKC-recognized Jack Russell Terrier (bred for working). These dogs have many of the same ancestors and bloodlines like Foxwarren, yet have evolved into two utterly different breeds. -- As for German Showline x Workingline: some people love the results, others not so much. There are a couple of other threads on this. I did it once, and wasn't overjoyed with the results, but that's just me and it could've been as much the roll of the genetic dice and the traits of the parents as anything else. I didn't do it again, though I have considered it from time to time, just to see if different lines mix better or worse. I would think a solid black or bi-color workingline would work colorwise better with showlines than a sable -- my cross was a sable x showline -- but that's just a theory. I can't say more on that, because it's not an area I explore much.

Whats the limit?

the topic is not showing cause of the quotation marks.

lauren go up to the top and edit the topic and see if it changes.

gtr

Thanks grt I think that worked.Good to know.

you are welcome .

gtr

I have a bitch that's a cross between German showlines and American. Uran pops up in her 7 generation pedigree 8 times, and Palme von Wildsteigerland 9.

I've never bothered to check how often Lance shows up on the American side, but of course, he's much further back. I don't think it's as many times as the two German dogs.

At any rate, there is too much inbreeding on both sides of the pedigree. And, of course, the American judges won't even look at her in the show ring! 


Someone I got to know through the PDB purchased a puppy from an American show judge. As he helped her make her selection, he actually checked the puppies to see which had the loosest joints!  I'm not exactly sure what role loose joints plays in producing a flashy sidegait, but I'm damn sure it doesn't contribute to the overall health and longevity of the dog and its joints!! 

Sunsilver...I can't imagine that would be a good thing to have loose joints either.I have seen when they gait that it lookss like their legs are going to fall off!!! I have trained a few and I have to say it was the most annoying thing the way they moved.They had a hard time sitting(they would rock back) ,downing was hard cause the big ribcage, and they seemed to have a hard time turningfrom one side to another cause their body was too long and their legs...well they were walking on their hocks. I don't see why that is what people ....judges....want to see in the breed.