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by VonWal on 06 January 2010 - 16:01

Nope.

by eichenluft on 06 January 2010 - 16:01

No.  As a breeder I would never breed a cryptorchid for any reason.

However, speaking to vets over the years, it becomes very clear that cryptorchidism is not "always genetic".  Vets (many) I have spoken to tell me that in the hundreds of neuters they do over the years - there are not "many" with actual missing testicles.  The "missing" testicle is there somewhere - how genetic is the problem depends on the reason it is not descended.  I'm told MANY are caused by twisted or misdirected cords - cords wrapped up or turned around, preventing the testicle to descend.  Some can't descend due to short cords, and some testicles are underdeveloped, rarely missing.  Regardless, would be impossible to tell if the problem is genetic or oops the cord got wrapped - so of course judges can't KKl a dog with missing testicle, and breeders can't assume it is not genetic.

molly


by Haus Simpkins on 07 January 2010 - 00:01

I would breed as long as you know where the underlying problem is coming from. be sure not to line breed back into it... a fault is a fault ,but knowing where the fault lies and working on correcting it is a whole other story... just because this dog  in generations back was combined with a line that brought forthe this issue, then we can work on the balance with still using these great dogs but not combining with ones that will increasing the problem..These dogs might have a million other good traits and this is the one trait that can be an issue but only when combined in certain factors then i dont feel that is good enough reason not to breed.  just watch the whole latteral program....

JRANSOM

by JRANSOM on 07 January 2010 - 00:01

Okay, so if a dog has both testicles but one is not descended he is still a cryptorchid?
And if you bred one of your males and in the resulting litter, one of the males turned out to have only one testicle descended, do you stop breeding that male because he produced a pup like that?

Lief

by Lief on 07 January 2010 - 00:01

 in that context ''crypt'' means hidden  monorchid means one as in ''mono'' its thought its inherited a an autosomal recessive so you could possibly breed the dog and have no puppies with the condition its certainly not the worst flaw a dog could have but most people have an aversion to breeding to a dog with that condition when the majority of dogs don;t have it

by Haus Simpkins on 07 January 2010 - 01:01

again its combinations not the dog itself for insting line breeding on lord will increase that problem line breeding on rikkor bad ball you will see that problem'
its all about the blueprints behind your structure

by michael49 on 07 January 2010 - 01:01

I'd like to hear opinions on this.I know of a male[2 testicles] that has been bred to 5 different females and produced a total of 20 male pups. All the male pups in the first 4 breedings were normal[2 testicles]. The last breeding was to a german import  v rated, kkl1, schutzhund 3 bitch that produced one solo male, this pup is 6 months old currently and has 1 descended testicle. Would you attribute this to the sire or dam or just this mating in particular.

JRANSOM

by JRANSOM on 07 January 2010 - 01:01

Haus Simpkins,
So your saying it's the combo of the pair that will produce this not the male?  So then say the male in questionis bred to a different female and none are produced do you rule it out from the male?  Or, wait to see 2-3 breedings more to see how many, if any crypts are there?  And then how do you deduce where it came from?

Bhaugh

by Bhaugh on 07 January 2010 - 02:01

As one who has had to neuter dogs from this, I find it hard to understand why anyone would consider overlooking it for "other qualities". This is why the breed has so many underlying issues. There is nothing more devistating than to save and buy a dog only to find that the dog has to be neutered. The cost to neuter the dog was outragious and I actually had a hard time finding a vet that would do the dog I had with bilat cryptorchids.

After dealing with this, I tried to find breeders who would openly tell me if their dogs produced testicle problems. No one wanted to tell me. If its so acceptable then breeders need open up and let the buyer decide for themselves if they want a dog from this gene pool. If a breeder has nothing to hide, then hide nothing.

by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 07 January 2010 - 09:01

I am NOT a breeder. But, yes, with a heavy heart and sadly shaking my head, saying Damn! a lot and sighing every time it is brought up - I would NOT breed him. That truthful enough?





 


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