by TIG on 27 January 2022 - 18:01
To the moderators; Yes I know this is technically in the wrong place but I implore you to leave it. It is too important!
The reality is the main board is the only one that gets read and even that has lower and lower traffic everyday which is not good for Oli or the board or the database.
Please allow it just this once.
For those who do not know about the Convoy , drop it into Google or YouTube. The idea and the response to it is like a breath of fresh air. The Freedomconvoy2022 offers hope to us all.
The Canadian govt decided to mandate vaccinations for cross border truckers. Note that the US Northern border has been closed to the unvaccinated for almost a year except for truckers but they too have now imposed a mandate on truckers. Note also our Southern border has no such mandate - in fact we have allowed in over two million unvaccinated, unvetted illegal aliens thru THAT border. That alone should tell you this is not about health - it's about control!
Tho a large percentage of Canadian truckers are vaccinated they saw these illegal mandates for what they are - illegal attempts to take control of an industry and a population. The Convey's message is No More Mandates. No More institutional divisions of our people based on false narratives. It is a peaceful protest - they are very clear about that. Obey the laws, no violence, be respectful.
It started in British Columbia heading for parliament in Ottawa this Sat Jan 29th. They vow to encircle the Capitol & keep it shut down until mandates are reversed. They are being joined by convoys from all parts of Canada - North, East and by truckers from then U.S. The Canadian people have welcomed and supported the Convoy. In wind chills of 30 & 40 below they are lining the highways and overpasses to show their support. I never knew Moose Jaw had so many people. They must have come from hundreds of miles around.
The Prime Minister tried to claim this is/ was a fringe group who had " unacceptable views". Don't you just love THAT - unacceptable views meaning someone who disagrees with HIM.
The Canadian main stream media is trying to hold to that narrative but it is overwhelmed by the hundreds of private video and drone videos showing the size of the Convoy and the support of the Canadian population as well as the world wide support for what they are doing.
It is working. Trudeau who is vaccinated to the hilt and has access to treatments none of us can get, has announced suddenly that he was "exposed" to the big C and despite testing negative must go into quarantine AKA hiding!
I am American but I support these patriots and I ask you to do the same! My only wish is that D.C. could be next. Go fund me link follows.
https://youtu.be/XpEVVMZ7X5c Private video
https://youtu.be/ArYtup2o_qU The Hill report on media blackout
by Lobovonder on 28 January 2022 - 08:01
Just a few notes on this post.First off I must say that the US govt also passed a restriction on all travelers essential and non essential that are unvaccinated from entering the US. This was done on Jan 22 this year.So it is not just Trudeau's decision,but a bilateral agreement. Also the go fund me fund is under scrutiny as nothing is clear as to where the funds may end up after the protest.
I do appreciate the interest you as an American have in our democratic institutions,but rest assured I have checked with some great legal minds in your country,Rudy Giulliani And Sydney Powell and both have reassured me that although I have not voted for Trudeau in our last fall election I should be reassured that he has been fairly elected.They hold this info from Hugo Chavez and Fox news!
by Sunsilver on 28 January 2022 - 11:01
Tig, I'm afraid there's another side to this protest. The organizers behind it have their own agenda, and it ain't pretty.
As alway with posting something that's an opinion, I've fact-checked my source, and the National Observer rates high for making sure its views are based on verifiable facts.
by Sunsilver on 28 January 2022 - 11:01
From the fine print at the bottom of the article:
The Canada Unity Memorandum of Understanding issued to the Senate and Governor General lists the demands of this group. It stretches far beyond the vaccine mandate for truckers and includes the removal of all Covid mandates and the request to rehire all staff who have been released from their employers for failing to vaccinate as a part of their employment.
Once that is achieved only then will they agree to remove the trucks that they state will surround Ottawa under their “Operation Bear Hug”.
The Criminal code of Canada states:
Intimidating Parliament or legislature
51. Every one who does an act of violence in order to intimidate Parliament or the legislature of a province is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 51
by TIG on 28 January 2022 - 11:01
Logo, Actually you have a few facts wrong.
1. I did not include any comment on the legitimacy of your prime minister nor has the Convoy. They are simply addressing illegality under your rights charter. You might be interested tho in this discussion between two well known Canadians Jordon Peterson and Brian Peckford. https://youtu.be/EdhFuMDLBDM Mr. Peckford is the last living drafter of the Charter of Rights and is currently suing the Trudeau government for violations of those rights including the one addressing bodily integrity. There is also video if you care to bother to look for it where Trudeau flat out says what he us doing violates that Charter but he doesn't give a fig - he' s going to do it anyways just cause he can. Now as an American Independent and Constitutionalist that causes me to be concerned for my Canadian friends.
2. Only the mandate re truckers is new on the U. S. side of the border. Our NORTHERN border has been closed to the unvaxxed for more than a year. I personally know that because I spent 4 glorious months from July to October traveling 14 of our beautiful states with no restrictions. I had hoped to go to Glacier and Banff and even tho Canada in Sept opened your border oursvremain closed. So if I had gone to Banff, I would not have been let back into my own country. Outrageous especially since no similar restriction applied on the Southern border. I would hope your brain can see why such a policy would be questionable.
Why do I care? The scope of government over reach worldwide in the last two years - U. S., Germany, Austria, France, Australia and yes Canada has been stunning and should give any student of history pause. Also back a few decades ago when I was a young whippersnapper I lived and worked on the Vermont/ Quebec border back in the days of Bill 22 and 9 beavers pissing on a frog. So have casually followed Canadian events since then.
by Sunsilver on 28 January 2022 - 12:01
by TIG on 28 January 2022 - 13:01
I expected better from you.
I am sad to see you flying the bad orangeman flag and based on one measly article yet. He is not part of the discussion here and I don't think in the Convoy either.
Lookout your windows. Listen to your fellow countrymen cheering. Are they all insurrectionists and terrorists or perhaps they are just ordinary folks who have finally seen that they were deliberately manipulated with false fears.
I have a very eclectic background including time in science and infection control, law enforcement, the law and the last 15 years of my career as a legal/ medical researcher. I know how to find and evaluate scientific and medical information and let me tell you the governments and main stream media have led you down a garden path while all the time denying people treatments that are and were effective - a violation of the Hippocratic oath. If you bothered to look you could fill binders with reputable information that give the lie to the narrative pushed worldwide.
Two small examples. In March of 2020 I spent time in medical journals tracking the research the Wuhan Institute did on bat Corona viruses. They had been working on them since at least 2006. I stopped there so it may well go back further. Btw this research was done in conjunction with European and American researchers and two other Chinese Institutes that are within in 50 km of Wuhan - the Institute of Pandemics and the Bio Warfare Institute. There is much more I found - all in public open databases but even this amount of info probably will give you a clue to what conclusions I came to.
Secondly in March 2020 a German peer reviewed article showed in their hardest hit area infectivity was 10% - meaning of those exposed approximately 10% will be infected. 10% not 50% not 100% ( tho relatively benign omicron may change that.) Until omicron that % OR less has held across the world.
What does that mean in the real world? I unfortunately live in a county of 1 million people in California one of the most locked down states. It has done rampart testing in part for the federal $$$ to be obtained. We have averaged an 8% infectivity rate. We have averaged 100 people a month who were labeled as Covid death ( a different discussion) So divide 1200 by 1 million to get your annual death rate- a tenth of 1 %. Even if you divide by the # of infected which is incorrect it only comes to 1.5 %. This is NOT a reason to shutdown an economy and drive small business bankrupt (but not the big chains eh). We are mammals. We die every day and we track the # of those deaths. I can tell you our regular death rate exceeds that.
Re the hospitals being overwhelmed.. An Army field hospital opened in our convention Center which COULD have been used as an isolation facility and prevented nursing patients( most vulnerable) being returned to their facilities but sadly that was not done. Like NY this group tragically suffered because of politically made decisions.. Any good epidemiologist worth their salt would have recommended establishing an isolation hospital - which also would have allowed the other hospitals to continue as normal. Btw in the 50s cities had hospitals dedicated to treatment of infectious diseases.
Upshot the field hospital closed 9 months later WITHOUT ever having one patient. Hospitals were NOT overwhelmed. But when I talk to other county residents virtually none of them know these facts - including those in health care.
Please note I am not saying that the original Covid was not a bad disease or that people did not die from it. It was a bad disease - primarily for a small group of people of a certain age with comorbities. Worldwide the vast majority of deaths were people over 80 and there is sadness for each and every death especially because if common infection control mechanisms had been followed and the politicians had not tried to practice medicine many may have not died.
More people are realizing they were conned. They have had enough. They - imho rightly - want life to resume. That is what this Convoy is about.
by dogsportman357 on 28 January 2022 - 13:01
As someone who lives in Toronto Canada (and whose business has suffered due to lockdowns the last 18/24 months) I am with you, especially with respect to your points about government overreach and the treatment of pre-political human rights as state granted privileges. In my view, Australia is the farthest gone down this dark path, while Canada may well be the 2nd worst regime to live under through covid. Much of what has gone on in Australia has made my jaw drop, but one of the worst moments came when I read the court ruling expelling Djokovic from the country on the argument that, if he were allowed to stay, the Australian public might look up to him as "an icon of free choice" and bodily autonomy. Call me crazy, but to me these are bedrock values in any legitimate democratic state or free society.
I've heard the same aspersions cast about some individuals involved in the trucker convoy, but I am not really in a position to assess them. I suspect that an effort is being made by the media and the political rulers to discredit, or create a distraction from, the protest as a whole by pointing the spotlight at a few bad apples. What I do know is that I stand behind the stated goal of the protests: bringing an end to vaccine mandates, along with lockdowns and damaging blanket restrictions more broadly two years into the pandemic when over 90% are fully vaccinated and it is clear that covid and its variants are going nowhere anytime soon. It is also worth keeping in mind that trucking in Canada is not even close to being a white dominated industry. On the contrary, about 60-70% of trucking is controlled by the Indian Canadians, and the blueprint for this protest is probably the (ultimately successful) Punjabi farmer protest that took place in India over the last year or two.
by mrdarcy on 28 January 2022 - 14:01
Sorry TIG but I will have to move this to Off Topic, will leave it for now but it will be moved.
by TIG on 28 January 2022 - 14:01
Hey Mr. Darcy,
I certainly get that you gotta do what you gotta do.
However a plea for a day or two respite.
The board is actually getting some traffic.
Most forums have not had posts in weeks or months. Even this one 1/4 to 1/3 of the posts are by moderators. It saddens me to come here and see what was once a dynamic healthy forum that was a great resource withering on the vine.
If we want it to survive we must find a way to increase traffic.